<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><BR><DIV><DIV>On Sep 11, 2006, at 12:15, Carl Worth wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:10:43 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On Mon, 2006-09-11 at 12:03 -0300, Gustavo Sikora wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Indeed =) This was the reference I get from the cairo samples:</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://cairographics.org/samples/snippets.html">http://cairographics.org/samples/snippets.html</A></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Umm, maybe we should add a note to that page.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>It's correct to use those</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">numbers in those snippets as the normalize_snippet call is adding a huge</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">scale and as you see all coordinates are also < 1.0</DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">We really just need to re-write all the snippets to draw with the</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">default CTM, and eliminate the snippets_normalize calls. This has been</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">the cause of way too much confusion too many times.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Any volunteer?</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I think the simplest approach would be to simply remove the call to</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">snippets_normalize and then to change all the input numbers</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">(coordinates, font sizes, line widths, etc.) to be multiplied by a</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">factor of 100, say.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV><DIV>I dunno, once I got what the snippet normalize was doing, I didn't mind so much. I even felt like I was really making sure I had gotten it all right by doing it in a "unit" space. What I found lacking was a link to the code snippet at the top. I know you can check it out and look at it and wade through all kinds of stuff, but that was suddenly a whole leap of just looking at it in browser and copying it and playing with it. Adding the line snippet_normalize(); to each of the samples, and then having that be a link to the actual code would work just as well. Then you have the benefit of seeing the whole thing normalized, but since it is just boilerplate code, it stays collapsed as that part becomes familiar and you just want to see the particular drawing API.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV> <SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><DIV>--</DIV><DIV>Travis Griggs</DIV><DIV>Objologist</DIV><DIV>"It's [a spec] _the_ single worst way to write software, because it by definition means that the software was written to match theory, not reality" - Linus Torvalds</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"></SPAN> </DIV><BR></BODY></HTML> <HTML><BODY><P><hr size=1></P> <P><STRONG> DISCLAIMER: This email is bound by the terms and conditions described at http://www.key.net/disclaimer.htm </STRONG></P></BODY></HTML>