[Clipart] leechers and pirates
momo at lumenstudio.net
momo at lumenstudio.net
Wed Feb 6 08:25:33 PST 2008
>> the framework stack to reach real ocal code is VERY discouraging
Hmmm.. That's what I was afraid of. CCHOST is far too complicated for the common web programmer to be easily transformable and I suspect for quite some time already that it was a somewhat unclever choice to move to this platform (even if I was excited about it at the very beginning)... it has a lot of old and unresolved bugs (like the upload bug that keeps me from uploading about 150 cliparts or the broken links that once in a time keep me away from the cleaning process), and very few people willing to contribute code mainly because of its complexity.
To tell you the truth I'm a little afraid about OCAL's future because of CCHOST's poor user friendliness...
Also, I agree with John when he says "As someone who has contributed a file or two here, I am happy to have them spread around. The important part is that the clipart is available".
----- Original Message -----
To: John Olsen ; clipart at lists.freedesktop.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Clipart] leechers and pirates
I feel that I am in the target of people :
"just a little code that they knew they could write, but never got around to doing it."
For our defense, the framework stack to reach real ocal code is VERY discouraging. I remember how motivated I was to contribute Ocal until I checkout the code and suddenly became shameful that I was not able to understand a single line of code in this framework unless spending days on it. That's where I join ckler when he says that such a site can be written in a day or so but FROM SCRATCH.
But a I am not a talentuous programmer mysefl and I know this is again to defend myself for doing nothing about ocal todo list... I practice SDD (Shame Driven Developpement) which leads to self-frustration and nothing concrete !
> Message du 06/02/08 15:50
> De : "John Olsen"
> A : clipart at lists.freedesktop.org
> Copie à :
> Objet : [Clipart] leechers and pirates
> regarding various salvos being fired over clker.com etal.:
> Am I going to the wrong clker.com? The one I visit clearly has the
> author as one of the tags and you can sort by that - so that molomen
> and Liftarn submissions can be seen together. i see a few of my
> submissions are popular this week. When I click on one and go to it's
> page right under the site title it says "Johnny Automatic greedy man"
> I don't want to get into a name calling debate, but it seems to me
> that "leechers and pirates" have one admirable advantage over our
> little group - they talk a lot less and work a lot more. I'm gonna
> judge this site by results.
> How refreshing to go to a site focused on visual art - clipart and see
> - OMG - a page full of pictures of clipart!
> People go to OCAL looking for clipart. God help them trying to find
> it. The most likely thing they'll see is a blog feed from someone
> else's blog and words - lots of words. In fact for something that is
> dedicated to visual art, it profoundly misunderstands the power of
> design and visuals.
> As someone who has contributed a file or two here, I am happy to have
> them spread around. The important part is that the clipart is
> available. Much of the art I upload is repurposed from public domain
> old books. I see that as liberating it to be repurposed and used by
> more people than ever would if it just sat lost in a book. Was that
> the intent of the original illustrator? Almost certainly not. But it
> is now in the PD and is there for people to use and reinvent.
> Now I'm done talking - I have uploading and librarian work to do. I
> am in the middle of uploading about 500 files from the old library by
> hand because I have just given up on all the people that have come and
> gone here spouting off how easy something would be to do with just a
> little code that they knew they could write, but never got around to
> doing it.
> But I can't fix bugs or add site features by brute force.
> A car is faster than walking, but if I start walking and the car never
> comes, who gets there first?
> John Olsen/Johnny Automatic
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