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<DIV>>> the framework stack to reach real ocal code is VERY
discouraging</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hmmm.. That's what I was afraid of. CCHOST is far
too complicated for the common web programmer to be easily transformable and I
suspect for quite some time already that it was a somewhat unclever choice to
move to this platform (even if I was excited about it at the very beginning)...
it has a lot of old and unresolved bugs (like the upload bug that keeps me from
uploading about 150 cliparts or the broken links that once in a time keep me
away from the cleaning process), and very few people willing to contribute code
mainly because of its complexity.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To tell you the truth I'm a little afraid
about OCAL's future because of CCHOST's poor user friendliness...</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Also, I agree with John when he says "<FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3>As someone who has contributed a file or two here,
I am happy to have them spread around. The important part is that the
clipart is available</FONT>". </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Molumen</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=johnny_automatic@mac.com
href="mailto:johnny_automatic@mac.com">John Olsen</A> ; <A
title=clipart@lists.freedesktop.org
href="mailto:clipart@lists.freedesktop.org">clipart@lists.freedesktop.org</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 06, 2008 4:25
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Clipart] leechers and
pirates</DIV>
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align=left>I feel that I am in the target of people :<BR>"just a little code
that they knew they could write, but never got around to doing it."<BR><BR>For
our defense, the framework stack to reach real ocal code is VERY discouraging.
I remember how motivated I was to contribute Ocal until I checkout the code
and suddenly became shameful that I was not able to understand a single line
of code in this framework unless spending days on it. That's where I join
ckler when he says that such a site can be written in a day or so but FROM
SCRATCH.<BR><BR>But a I am not a talentuous programmer mysefl and I know this
is again to defend myself for doing nothing about ocal todo list... I practice
SDD (Shame Driven Developpement) which leads to self-frustration and nothing
concrete !<BR></P><BR>
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Message du 06/02/08 15:50<BR>> De : "John Olsen" <BR>> A :
clipart@lists.freedesktop.org<BR>> Copie à : <BR>> Objet : [Clipart]
leechers and pirates<BR>><BR>> regarding various salvos being fired
over clker.com etal.:<BR>> <BR>> Am I going to the wrong clker.com?
The one I visit clearly has the <BR>> author as one of the tags and you
can sort by that - so that molomen <BR>> and Liftarn submissions can be
seen together. i see a few of my <BR>> submissions are popular this week.
When I click on one and go to it's <BR>> page right under the site title
it says "Johnny Automatic greedy man"<BR>> <BR>> I don't want to get
into a name calling debate, but it seems to me <BR>> that "leechers and
pirates" have one admirable advantage over our <BR>> little group - they
talk a lot less and work a lot more. I'm gonna <BR>> judge this site by
results.<BR>> <BR>> How refreshing to go to a site focused on visual
art - clipart and see <BR>> - OMG - a page full of pictures of
clipart!<BR>> <BR>> People go to OCAL looking for clipart. God help
them trying to find <BR>> it. The most likely thing they'll see is a blog
feed from someone <BR>> else's blog and words - lots of words. In fact
for something that is <BR>> dedicated to visual art, it profoundly
misunderstands the power of <BR>> design and visuals.<BR>> <BR>> As
someone who has contributed a file or two here, I am happy to have <BR>>
them spread around. The important part is that the clipart is <BR>>
available. Much of the art I upload is repurposed from public domain
<BR>> old books. I see that as liberating it to be repurposed and used by
<BR>> more people than ever would if it just sat lost in a book. Was that
<BR>> the intent of the original illustrator? Almost certainly not. But
it <BR>> is now in the PD and is there for people to use and
reinvent.<BR>> <BR>> Now I'm done talking - I have uploading and
librarian work to do. I <BR>> am in the middle of uploading about 500
files from the old library by <BR>> hand because I have just given up on
all the people that have come and <BR>> gone here spouting off how easy
something would be to do with just a <BR>> little code that they knew
they could write, but never got around to <BR>> doing it.<BR>>
<BR>> But I can't fix bugs or add site features by brute force.<BR>>
<BR>> A car is faster than walking, but if I start walking and the car
never <BR>> comes, who gets there first?<BR>> <BR>> John
Olsen/Johnny Automatic<BR>>
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