Resent to mailing list. Sorry. I sent in error to one person. <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 10:06 AM, chovynz <<a href="mailto:chovynz@gmail.com">chovynz@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I suggest we ask both of them to clarify. Give them our mission statement and goals. If they are using PD works, then they cannot restrict us, as by doing so restricting us they themselves are violating (my understanding of) PD. However if they own or have made (as I suspect Karen has done some of them, then we can ask for exceptions or something. I wouldn't delete them until we have cleared up the issues and meanings on their website with them. WPclipart is "free" game, however he might not appreciate us grabbing them. Not that he can do anything about it. Again I suggest opening dialogue with him. I've had a look at the artwork on the site and think we can do better. I understand the differences between Karens statement and WPclipart to be; Karen is claiming partial copyright, while WP acknowledges his are PD. All he's done is collected and edited. I think he's giving permission. But check with him. <div class="gmail_quote">2009/3/20 Joanna Pszenicyn <<a href="mailto:papapishu@gmail.com" target="_blank">papapishu@gmail.com</a>> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div><div></div><div class="h5"> Nicu Buculei wrote: >I am not the person who flagged it, but I suspect is about this: <a href="http://karenswhimsy.com/image-ordering.shtm#terms" target="_blank">> http://karenswhimsy.com/image-ordering.shtm#terms</a> We have about 7 images from that page, mainly angel wings, as searching for "karenswhimsy" shows. We also have many images from <a href="http://wpclipart.com" target="_blank">wpclipart.com</a> (search for "wpclipart"), and his terms of use are: [...] <blockquote> These images are public domain (PD), and that means they can be used and edited for whatever purpose you wish, personal or commercial. No attrribution or linking is required, (although a link would be nice...) I only make one request: </blockquote>My website is mine. I do not expect anyone to copy my site or the image collection (in large part) to host online or sell. This would compete with my site, draining what revenue I generate through online ads. These pay for hosting and modestly compensate me all the ink I use in test printing and for the hundreds of hours I spend finding, creating and editing images. [...] What is the difference between this statement and that from karenswhimsy? Karen, the owner of karenswhimsy, also calls her collection "Public Domain", but then adds some restrictions. Yeah, I know that she has right to do so, but why write on top of the page <a href="http://karenswhimsy.com/public-domain-images/" target="_blank">http://karenswhimsy.com/public-domain-images/</a>: "WELCOME! :: You have arrived at the main page for my public domain images. On the following pages you will find hundreds of beautiful images gleaned from my collection of old books, magazines, and postcards. They are all from material printed prior to 1923 and are in the public domain." It is at least misleading :( So, should delete at once all images from <a href="http://karenswhimsy.com" target="_blank">karenswhimsy.com</a> or only tag them as pd_issue? And what about wpclipart? _Do_ we have a permission for every single image, or do we just feel that the words "[...] That said, if you wish to include the collection within a GPL-ed Linux distribution or create a package for that distribution, you are more than welcome to do so. I am a big proponent of Open Source [...]" are a "general" permission????? Somewhat lost again, Papapishu </div></div>_______________________________________________ clipart mailing list <a href="mailto:clipart@lists.freedesktop.org" target="_blank">clipart@lists.freedesktop.org</a> <a href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/clipart" target="_blank">http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/clipart</a> </blockquote></div> </blockquote></div>