And then Evil Corporation Number 1 comes along, grabs my nicely finished and polished clipart that has taken 6 hours to make, Trademarks and copyrights it into their logo, then sues me for using their logo on my website. "Dedicator recognizes that, once placed in the public domain, the Work may be freely reproduced, distributed, transmitted, used, modified, built upon, or otherwise exploited by anyone for any purpose, commercial or non-commercial, and in any way, including by methods that have not yet been invented or conceived." Once you release something to the PD, yes it's irreversible. But it means that anyone can come along and copyright it, removing that particular clipart from the public domain for the next 60 odd years. It's troublesome to me. <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Oleg Koptev <<a href="mailto:koptev.oleg@gmail.com">koptev.oleg@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> chovynz, afaik process of submit something as 'PD' is irreversible process. 'Dedicator intends this dedication to be an overt act of relinquishment in perpetuity of all present and future rights under copyright law, whether vested or contingent, in the Work.' <a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/publicdomain/" target="_blank">http://creativecommons.org/licenses/publicdomain/</a> <div class="gmail_quote">2009/4/12 chovynz <<a href="mailto:chovynz@gmail.com" target="_blank">chovynz@gmail.com</a>> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div><div></div><div class="h5"> I've been thinking about some things, and something keeps coming back to me. If I upload something with PD license, there is actually nothing stopping people or a business from taking that clipart, copyrighting it then suing me for using my own clipart on my own website/book/CD cover/tshirt/artwork/publicly available and viewed material. Now obviously this has some problems that concern me greatly. First, it's unfair. Second, ANYTHING in the PD can be copyrighted. Third: While I respect a number of people, I don't trust humanity as a whole. There will always be selfish greedy people. While I believe in helping/supporting people, I'm also aware that there are people who don't give two cents for the life of another person. These people have no respect for fairness, or what's right, and there is nothing stopping them from taking a clipart, then copyrighting or trademarking, which then means that the original PD clipart is lost to the public. I think there is a majority of people that would respect the PD license and would continue derivitaves in the same way. But, all it takes is one person or corporation to do copyright something, and that clipart is lost to the public for 50-100 years. There has been a large effort on the part of CC and some other groups to limit this unfairness, however everything on OCAL is in the PD. This concerns me a bit. The goal of OCAL is to provide better and better clipart over time. What is going to happen when someone see's clipart they like and copyrights it, then askes OCAL to remove it from their Library? What is stopping one person or corporation from doing so, to ALL the clipart in the library? I do not currently see a good solution to this problem, but I think it is a future issue that needs thinking about and addressing. Thoughts? -- Cheers Chovynz </div></div>_______________________________________________ clipart mailing list <a href="mailto:clipart@lists.freedesktop.org" target="_blank">clipart@lists.freedesktop.org</a> <a href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/clipart" target="_blank">http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/clipart</a> </blockquote></div> -- C уважением, Коптев Олег With respect, Koptev Oleg Jabber ID - <a href="mailto:koptevoleg@jabber.ru" target="_blank">koptevoleg@jabber.ru</a> WWW — <a href="http://ktulhuntu.blogspot.com" target="_blank">http://ktulhuntu.blogspot.com</a> </blockquote></div> -- Cheers Chovynz