Sounds good to me. When iam at home i will take a look what is possible and what not. <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 2:23 AM, chovynz <<a href="mailto:chovynz@gmail.com">chovynz@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> Hi all For the Beta site, I have an idea for using trackbacks as a more comprehensive "External Sources." Please refer to the attached visual concept and continue reading. Idea Summary: Use Trackbacks as an External Sources form/data/information. I suggest we change the way we do external sourced clipart from the old OCAL site to this idea. John raised some valid points earlier about attribution and the uploader taking credit for clipart they didn't create. My own personal experiences on the old OCAL site has shown a hole in the information used, gathered, or displayed for external sources. Perhaps this information is used in the old OCAL metadata, but I don't see it anywhere on the old site. The missing information is the location of the external source. There are quite a number of cliparts that have external source tags, but don't show where they come from. John and Papapishu have been great in putting a link to the external source in the description, but most other uploaders don't bother, and only add the externalsource tag. You also need to know a little of HTML to be able to make a good link in the description, which might scare a few people off doing it properly. Suggested procedure for external sourced clipart: Upload the clipart as a normal one, via the Upload page. After it's uploaded, use the Trackback/External Sources Javascript found underneath the clipart in the gallery view, to generate the external sources info. Trackbacks/External Sources on the BETA OCAL are fairly easy to use for the Joe Public User. It's a click and copy'n'paste, found in the Javascript clipart properties button underneath any clipart thumbnail. The word "Trackback" in any place could be changed to External Source, since that is what they are. On the External Sources page of a clipart, the only important info (I believe) is the locations where it is found - the rest is optional or informative only. I think this idea would go really well with Wikipedia Commons cliparts, and other clipart collection sites. Clipart Details page should have a link to the clipart External Sources page, and links to the places where it is found. Clipart External Sources page should list all "trackbacks" that have been created for that clipart. Additional data I would ask for, but is not necessary is the person's name who found the external source. It could just as easily be left off the listings. The clipart name next to the External Sources title should link back to the Clipart Details page. Any feedback or criticism of the idea welcome. The other thing I'd ask for is an indication from the technical guys, how easy this would be to implement. Beta site cliparts referenced in this trackback/external source example <a href="http://216.40.235.204/" target="_blank">http://216.40.235.204/</a>cchost/files/michi/218 Trackbacks to Clipart: <a href="http://216.40.235.204/" target="_blank">http://216.40.235.204/</a>cchost/pools/item/6 <a href="http://216.40.235.204/" target="_blank">http://216.40.235.204/</a>cchost/pools/item/7 <a href="http://216.40.235.204/" target="_blank">http://216.40.235.204/</a>cchost/pools/item/8 -- Cheers Chovynz </blockquote></div>