<div dir="ltr">totally. its why I did my stint at CC ;) <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Greg Bulmash <<a href="mailto:oneminuteinspirations@gmail.com">oneminuteinspirations@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Thing is OCAL *users* aren't covered by those DMCA safe harbor provisions. It's not user-uploaded to them. And claiming "but I got it from OCAL" doesn't protect you from the expenses of having to deal with a copyright troll looking to squeeze a settlement out of you. The joys of the American legal system, eh? That's why it's important to be very circumspect about the stuff that's uploaded and very public and detailed about when/why items are removed. If something's online for a few months before the DMCA notice comes in, the ripple effect can be huge. And even if OCAL doesn't get hurt, it's users can get slammed. Our government keeps passing IP laws that are more and more consumer unfriendly, giving copyright holders more and more rights to screw with people. Last month Lawrence Lessig co-authored an Op/Ed piece about an upcoming attempt by the Obama administration at passing crazy restrictive copyright laws through a backdoor. <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/25/AR2010032502403.html" target="_blank">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/25/AR2010032502403.html</a> Because OCAL users don't enjoy the same protections OCAL does, OCAL needs to be as careful as it can possibly be. <div><div></div><div class="h5"> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Jon Phillips <<a href="mailto:jon@rejon.org">jon@rejon.org</a>> wrote: > Also, since our server is in the USA, and we take precautions and provide > delete mechanisms, we have the DMCA safe harbor provisions and a 24-72 hour > window if we are ever served a DMCA take-down or cease and desist, to comply > or issue a counter-challenge. So, its great and we should contine to be > vigilant in removing bad cliparts, but we should not be afraid of running > our awesome project. > > Jon > > On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Jon Phillips <<a href="mailto:jon@rejon.org">jon@rejon.org</a>> wrote: >> >> Man, that sucks! Blacklist guy! I just publicly blacklisted. Take that. >> >> Where's this package at? Who has it? If we can get our hands on and clean >> out the cliparts, then we are good to go on pushing towards 30K! >> >> Does anyone else have a big archive that can put us over the edge??? I >> want to get to 30K and have our remix functionality before we launch!!! >> >> We are real close. >> >> Jon >> >> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Greg Bulmash >> <<a href="mailto:oneminuteinspirations@gmail.com">oneminuteinspirations@gmail.com</a>> wrote: >>> >>> Take Kamsart off that list, please. They're a bunch of lying cheats. >>> Their stuff isn't public domain. I've asked that they be removed >>> onlist before because of this. I'm getting sued for copyright >>> infringement over images I got from there. >>> >>> There are HUNDREDS of pieces on that site that George Riddick claims >>> are his copyrighted works, and if he catches people using them, he >>> demands thousands of dollars to settle the infringement claim. See >>> <a href="http://extortionletterinfo.com/imageline.htm" target="_blank">http://extortionletterinfo.com/imageline.htm</a> for detailed information >>> on his tactics. If stuff from there gets on OCAL, it could cause >>> MASSIVE trouble for both OCAL and OCAL users. >>> >>> - Greg >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Jon Phillips <<a href="mailto:jon@rejon.org">jon@rejon.org</a>> wrote: >>> > Well, we aren't quite at 30K cliparts, but a quick way we can boost up >>> > to >>> > 30K is to add from external sources! >>> > >>> > <a href="http://www.openclipart.org/wiki/Clipart_Acquisition" target="_blank">http://www.openclipart.org/wiki/Clipart_Acquisition</a> >>> > >>> > Its easy! >>> > >>> > 1. Find some source at that link like a PDF >>> > 1.5 confirm the source is actually released into the public domain for >>> > each >>> > image. >>> > 2. Open each page in Inkscape >>> > 3. extract out the good drawings already vector >>> > 4. save each one to a separate file, preferably with page number and >>> > source >>> > in the file name >>> > 5. When all done, upload to <a href="http://openclipart.org/multiupload" target="_blank">http://openclipart.org/multiupload</a> making >>> > sure >>> > to add the source url in the description >>> > 6. Use <strike>...</strike> to strike thru already uploaded clipart. >>> > Add a >>> > link to the clipart if applicable and/or the tag you used. >>> > 7. Keep on going!!! >>> > >>> > Its fun! Funnn!!! >>> > >>> > Brad, can you integrate this into an upcoming blog post please... >>> > >>> > Jon >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Jon Phillips >>> > <a href="http://rejon.org/" target="_blank">http://rejon.org/</a> >>> > <a href="http://fabricatorz.com/" target="_blank">http://fabricatorz.com/</a> >>> > <a href="http://status.net/" target="_blank">http://status.net/</a> >>> > <a href="http://rejon.status.net" target="_blank">http://rejon.status.net</a> + skype: kidproto >>> > +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) >>> > +86.134.3957.2035 (china) >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > clipart mailing list >>> > <a href="mailto:clipart@lists.freedesktop.org">clipart@lists.freedesktop.org</a> >>> > <a href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/clipart" target="_blank">http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/clipart</a> >>> > >>> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Jon Phillips >> <a href="http://rejon.org/" target="_blank">http://rejon.org/</a> >> <a href="http://fabricatorz.com/" target="_blank">http://fabricatorz.com/</a> >> <a href="http://status.net/" target="_blank">http://status.net/</a> >> <a href="http://rejon.status.net" target="_blank">http://rejon.status.net</a> + skype: kidproto >> +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) >> +86.134.3957.2035 (china) > > > > -- > Jon Phillips > <a href="http://rejon.org/" target="_blank">http://rejon.org/</a> > <a href="http://fabricatorz.com/" target="_blank">http://fabricatorz.com/</a> > <a href="http://status.net/" target="_blank">http://status.net/</a> > <a href="http://rejon.status.net" target="_blank">http://rejon.status.net</a> + skype: kidproto > +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) > +86.134.3957.2035 (china) > </div></div></blockquote></div> -- Jon Phillips <a href="http://rejon.org/">http://rejon.org/</a> <a href="http://fabricatorz.com/">http://fabricatorz.com/</a> <a href="http://status.net/">http://status.net/</a> <a href="http://rejon.status.net">http://rejon.status.net</a> + skype: kidproto +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.134.3957.2035 (china) </div>