<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> (Semi-ranbling ramblings thoughts on the requests issue) I have another take on it. Why not have OCAL focus on vector works, and leave the uploading of raster images to the free image hosts . e.g. photobucketimageshack. Instead of having people upload images to OCAL they can link to those other places. Unless bandwidth really isn't a problem? I'm just remembering the previous "requests" area/tags, which didn't seem effective in the timeframes. Maybe it's time for a re-think on how requests will work? I know many requesters never cleaned up their requests - it was quite a labourious task for librarians too. The questions were, "What's current? Oh is this finished? is this old? What's new? What's actually needed? Oh I see this was fulfilled 2 years ago!! " etcetc. I'd like to see an easier way of doing requests than the last manifestation. Michi and I suggested a forum, but Jon doesn't support that due to security issues. Would Jon reconsider that aspect? Thought # 89384 Personally, I think the requests feature CAN make people dependent instead of figuring out how to use the programs and solve their own problems. I think I don't like the request system as is currently manifest, but I can't yet articulate WHY I don't like it. What else would work for requests? Part of the problem from last time was a lack of communication. I guess a "Fulfill Request" button that works like the current "remix" button would be cool. Something like, Case study #1 Requester Person A asks for some balloons, and uploads a picture. Designer Person B goes, "Oh yeah! I can do that!" Goes and makes the art. Clicks the "Fulfill Request" button and uploads the artwork. The Requester gets notified via email, AND, next time they log in, a screen notification is also there saying "Designer Person B has fulfilled your request. Please visit <a href="http://xyz" target="_blank">http://xyz</a> to view the clipart." The Requester goes there and sees another message, "Does this clipart answer your request? Are you happy with the result? " They click "Yes, it's awesome!",or "No, not yet" If they click Yes, The Request automatically gets the request tag removed, The Designer gets notified (Via email AND/OR login message) that the Requester is happy with the result and everyones happy. if they click No, then the request stays as is until it's accepted. The Requester will be reminded periodically to check if the request has been fulfilled. Case Study #1b Other contributors / Librarians / The AUTO OCAL SYSTEM can suggest clipart based on the word balloon. If The Requester chooses a clipart that fulfills the request, the request gets it's "request" tag automatically removed. Condition #34535635 Of course search would need to automatically NOT INCLUDE requests in the search results. If we could have a toggle system for fields to search in that would be awesome. This is all just theoretical of course. I don't know what Bassel is capable of. ;) Whatchyah think Bassel? Are these ideas possible, feasible and doable? Cheers Chovynz On 27/04/2010 5:51 a.m., Jon Phillips wrote: <blockquote type="cite"> <pre>I totally agree with you. I think the REQUEST page is really great. Allow anyone to upload sketches, urls and descriptions for a request. I think its important to link the request to uploaded images. This is also a great way for artists to make money...maybe longer term... Bassel, what do you think about this? Jon On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Gerald Ganson <a href="mailto:Gerald.Ganson@rdc.ab.ca" target="_blank"><Gerald.Ganson@rdc.ab.ca></a> wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre>A comment on building the community. Rather than (or in addition to) a “requests” page, I feel that a page where artists (non vector) could upload scans of illustrations, etc, and have OCAL vector artists use these illustrations as jump off points for creating vectors could build community. Bitmapped images uploaded would of course NOT become part of the collection, but vectors created from them would be. Perhaps leveraging existing locations would be good, like start a collection on wiki-commons or someplace, linked to OCAL – and specifically for OCAL contributions by non-vector artists. Credit to original artists (for the vector remixes) given etc. If the page started with a bit of description as to what kind of art can be vectorized effectively, guidelines, etc. I think it could be useful. In this way people could contribute to OCAL who may be great artists, but not vector artists. Here is an example so to speak. This was uploaded to illustrate how pencil sketches can become vector art. <a href="http://jazzmanian.deviantart.com/art/The-Buckets-79991458" target="_blank">http://jazzmanian.deviantart.com/art/The-Buckets-79991458</a> Gerald_G From: <a href="mailto:clipart-bounces+gerald.ganson=rdc.ab.ca@lists.freedesktop.org" target="_blank">clipart-bounces+gerald.ganson=rdc.ab.ca@lists.freedesktop.org</a> [<a href="mailto:clipart-bounces+gerald.ganson=rdc.ab.ca@lists.freedesktop.org" target="_blank">mailto:clipart-bounces+gerald.ganson=rdc.ab.ca@lists.freedesktop.org</a>] On Behalf Of Oleg Koptev Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 2:58 AM To: Schrijver Cc: Open Clip Art Library PUBLIC Subject: Re: [Clipart] 30K! and ready to launch!!! I think focus should shift towards building a community and finding out how the OCAL collection can be of most use to people around the world. The one of possible ways proposed by reJon in another thread (about package size) is 'packs' of clipart. I think it is really useful proposal. The 'Request' feature also could have great impact on popularity, but as we saw on the OCAL v.1.0 that 'Request' area can became trashbin without strong librarians control. my 2 kopeck Boobaloo _______________________________________________ clipart mailing list <a href="mailto:clipart@lists.freedesktop.org" target="_blank">clipart@lists.freedesktop.org</a> <a href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/clipart" target="_blank">http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/clipart</a> </pre> </blockquote> <pre> </pre> </blockquote> </div>