<table class="msg-table" width="1103" height="697"><tbody><tr><td valign="top"> </td><td valign="top">In reference to cliparts below. The following is a conversation for keeping. I'm sending it to the mailing list in case there is any doubt in the future. I'm also going to remove the pd_issue tag from the cliparts involved. Cheers Chovynz </td></tr><tr><td valign="top"> </td><td valign="top"> </td></tr><tr class="msg"><td class="msg-user"><chovynz></td> <td class="msg-data">Is someone here an admin for Wesnoth? I'm looking for someone who can answer an potential copyright infringement question.</td></tr><tr class="msg"><td class="msg-user"><<a href="irc://freenode/zookeeper,isnick" class="chatzilla-link">zookeeper</a>></td> <td class="msg-data">go ahead and ask and someone will reply sooner or later</td></tr><tr class="msg"><td class="msg-user"><chovynz></td><td class="msg-data"> I'm a librarian on the Openclipart.org website. We host Public Domain cliparts for anyone to use. Awhile ago someone uploaded a character that is described as a Wesnoth character. I'm checking to see if those cliparts are actually Public domain or if they are copyrighted in any way. The cliparts can be found at <a target="_content" class="chatzilla-link" href="http://www.openclipart.org/detail/16636">http://www.openclipart.org/detail/16636</a>, <a target="_content" class="chatzilla-link" href="http://www.openclipart.org/detail/16656">http://www.openclipart.org/detail/16656</a>,...</td></tr><tr class="msg"><td class="msg-user"><chovynz></td> <td class="msg-data">...and <a target="_content" class="chatzilla-link" href="http://www.openclipart.org/detail/16748">http://www.openclipart.org/detail/16748</a></td></tr><tr class="msg"><td class="msg-user"><chovynz></td> <td class="msg-data">They look very similar to the characters on the wiki already, so I was wondering if we need to do something about the Openclipart ones.</td></tr><tr class="msg"><td class="msg-user"><chovynz></td> <td class="msg-data"><a target="_content" class="chatzilla-link" href="http://wiki.wesnoth.org/WesnothFigures#Konrad">http://wiki.wesnoth.org/WesnothFigures#Konrad</a></td></tr><tr id="important1" class="msg"> <td class="msg-user"><<a href="irc://freenode/zookeeper,isnick" class="chatzilla-link">zookeeper</a>></td><td class="msg-data">chovynz, those pictures themselves aren't from wesnoth, and i doubt any of our art devs or contributors drew them. obviously they're based on the wesnoth portraits, and especially the delfador one looks like it's just traced over the original.</td></tr><tr class="msg"><td class="msg-user"><chovynz></td><td class="msg-data">So does anyone know who drew the originals?</td></tr><tr class="msg"><td class="msg-user"><<a href="irc://freenode/Vornicus,isnick" class="chatzilla-link">Vornicus</a>></td> <td class="msg-data">Wesnoth art is apparently technically under the GPL; I'm... not entirely certain what that means for non-code things.</td></tr><tr class="msg"><td class="msg-user"><chovynz></td><td class="msg-data"> Still, GPL isn't PD as far as I'm aware. If we are unable to get the original authors permission, I think we may have to remove these cliparts. (which is a real shame because they are fantastic!)</td></tr><tr class="msg"><td class="msg-user"><chovynz></td><td class="msg-data"> Would there be someone here who can see the history of that page and let me know who uploaded those pix?</td></tr><tr class="msg"><td class="msg-user"><<a href="irc://freenode/zookeeper,isnick" class="chatzilla-link">zookeeper</a>></td> <td class="msg-data">just wait a moment, you'll get an answer of some kind in a bit..</td></tr><tr id="important2" class="msg"><td class="msg-user"><<a href="irc://freenode/zookeeper,isnick" class="chatzilla-link">zookeeper</a>></td> <td class="msg-data">chovynz, jetrel is the artist who drew the originals, and he says he doesn't have a problem with it, so no, you don't have to remove them. those are notably lower-quality drawings based on the originals anyway, not direct derivative works IMO</td></tr><tr class="msg"><td class="msg-user"><<a href="irc://freenode/zookeeper,isnick" class="chatzilla-link">zookeeper</a>></td> <td class="msg-data">you can look at the original konrad and delfador portraits here: <a target="_content" class="chatzilla-link" href="http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/trunk/data/campaigns/Heir_To_The_Throne/images/portraits/">http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/trunk/data/campaigns/Heir_To_The_Throne/images/portraits/</a></td> </tr><tr class="msg"><td class="msg-user"><<a href="irc://freenode/zookeeper,isnick" class="chatzilla-link">zookeeper</a>></td><td class="msg-data"> well, actually he linked to those himself already, it seems...</td></tr><tr class="msg"><td class="msg-user"><chovynz></td><td class="msg-data"> Thank you. You're sure they can be used with the Public Domain licence? once there that decision is irreversible. See <a target="_content" class="chatzilla-link" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/publicdomain/">http://creativecommons.org/licenses/publicdomain/</a> for more info.</td></tr><tr class="msg"><td class="msg-user"><<a href="irc://freenode/zookeeper,isnick" class="chatzilla-link">zookeeper</a>></td> <td class="msg-data">i don't think that distributing those as PD would be in violation of jetrel's copyrights. sounds like a rather far-fetched idea since as you can see, they're different drawings, even if based on jetrel's portraits.</td></tr><tr class="msg"><td class="msg-user"><<a href="irc://freenode/zookeeper,isnick" class="chatzilla-link">zookeeper</a>></td> <td class="msg-data">and even in the (IMO very unlikely) case that someone could argue that there's a problem, you can be sure jetrel wouldn't sue anyone over those.</td></tr><tr class="msg"><td class="msg-user"><chovynz></td><td class="msg-data">Well I guess we can leave them as is for now. Thanks for your work in checking for me. </td></tr><tr class="msg"><td class="msg-user"><<a href="irc://freenode/zookeeper,isnick" class="chatzilla-link">zookeeper</a>></td> <td class="msg-data">no problem</td></tr><tr class="msg"><td class="msg-user"><<a href="irc://freenode/zookeeper,isnick" class="chatzilla-link">zookeeper</a>></td> <td class="msg-data"><Jetrel> zookeeper: If it satisfies anyone, my original konrad/lisar can be public domain. I mean, fuck it.</td></tr><tr class="msg"><td class="msg-user"><<a href="irc://freenode/zookeeper,isnick" class="chatzilla-link">zookeeper</a>></td> <td class="msg-data">i guess that should make it pretty clear there's no problem ;)</td></tr><tr class="msg"> <td class="msg-user"><chovynz></td><td class="msg-data">lol.</td></tr></tbody></table>