For your information. Involved cliparts <a href="http://www.openclipart.org/search/?query=debian">http://www.openclipart.org/search/?query=debian</a> <a href="http://www.openclipart.org/detail/38653">http://www.openclipart.org/detail/38653</a> <table class="msg-table"><tbody><tr class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"> </td><td class="msg-user"><Chovynz></td><td class="msg-data"> Hello, I am a librarian for Open Clipart Library. I have a potential problem I'd like sorted out. OCAL is a public domain clipart library, in other words, people can do anything they like with the cliparts. There is at least one clipart on OCAL that has the "open" debian swirl. I've read the licencing terms and it's not clear to me if we can have it on the public domain OCAL site. Could...</td></tr><tr class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"> </td><td class="msg-user"><Chovynz></td> <td class="msg-data">...someone confirm? You can read more about public domain here. <a target="_content" class="chatzilla-link" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/publicdomain/">http://creativecommons.org/licenses/publicdomain/</a>, the clipart in question is here : <a target="_content" class="chatzilla-link" href="http://www.openclipart.org/detail/38653">http://www.openclipart.org/detail/38653</a></td></tr><tr class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"> </td><td class="msg-user"><themill></td><td class="msg-data">!debian logo</td></tr><tr class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"> </td><td class="msg-user"><dpkg></td><td class="msg-data">extra, extra, read all about it, debian logo is <a target="_content" class="chatzilla-link" href="http://www.debian.org/logos">http://www.debian.org/logos</a> , <a target="_content" class="chatzilla-link" href="http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLogo">http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLogo</a> . See also <debian logo font>.</td></tr><tr class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"> </td><td class="msg-user"><Chovynz></td> <td class="msg-data">I've read it. I need personal help here.</td></tr><tr id="important0" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"> </td><td class="msg-user"><themill></td> <td class="msg-data">Chovynz: requiring that things are "public domain" is pretty crazy. The logo is provided under a free, permissive licence.</td></tr><tr class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"> </td><td class="msg-user"><Chovynz></td> <td class="msg-data">Yes. It is pretty crazy, however public domain, can be used for any purpose, including defamatory, and or commercial use. Is the debian logo licence compatible with public domain as I understand it?</td></tr><tr class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"> </td><td class="msg-user"><Chovynz></td> <td class="msg-data">As for requiring public domain as crazy, that's not my call. :) I'm just following site procedures.</td></tr><tr id="important1" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"> </td><td class="msg-user"><themill></td> <td class="msg-data">Chovynz: public domain is (a) not a licence (b) doesn't exist in many jurisdictions and (c) things cannot be "placed into" the public domain in many more jurisdictions.</td></tr><tr id="important2" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"> </td><td class="msg-user"><themill></td> <td class="msg-data">Chovynz: if you guys want to pick a debatable and US-centric bit of law, then you'll have to find some USian lawyers to help you with it. The logo may be freely used, but it is not placed into the public domain by any stretch of the imagination. In your example, it's placed into a new creative work... you can open that can of worms yourself another time.</td></tr><tr class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"> </td><td class="msg-user"><Chovynz></td> <td class="msg-data">themill: Correct, that PD is not a licence. It is a waiver of licence. Does Debian want that on this logo? My gut says we can't have it, even if it is a free and permissive licence that debian logo is released under.</td></tr><tr id="important3" class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"> </td><td class="msg-user"><themill></td> <td class="msg-data">Chovynz: you may do better to ask for opinions on either the debian-legal or debian-project mailing lists.</td></tr><tr class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"> </td><td class="msg-user"><Chovynz></td> <td class="msg-data">Thanks for your help themill. :)</td></tr><tr class="msg"><td class="msg-timestamp"> </td> <td class="msg-user"><themill></td><td class="msg-data">Good luck!</td></tr></tbody></table> One day, I'll follow this up on the debian mailing list. -- Cheers Chovynz