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You opinion does matter my friend. Very much. <br>
As does anyone else who chooses to speak up.<br>
Jarods is just as valuable too. Speaking up will help us reach a
consensus for what to do in these situations.<br>
<br>
However, if I disagree with something enough I'll debate very hard if I
need to.<br>
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On 16/06/2010 7:20 p.m., Leonardo Cunha wrote:
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cite="mid:AANLkTilQnJyfT8_dIP-Zl0JeOtbq9rHCOljo4jeJpVff@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span"
style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse;">
<div><span class="Apple-style-span"
style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse;">Hi,</span></div>
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style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse;"><br>
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Not that my opinion matters, but I'm too against taking clipart from
sites that make exceptions like these. Particularly the specified
website. As someone already said, if they wrongly distribute Disney
clipart as Public Domain, we can't be sure the other alleged PD clipart
they distribute are really PD.</span>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br>
</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">Also, if
you say "This is PD but you can't use commercially", it looks like you
know what you want / don't want ("I don't want commercial use!"), but
you don't know what the appropriate license would be. If the person /
website does not know what he/she/it is doing, that does not seem too
"safe" to me.</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br>
</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">I am sure
new contributors and contributions are always welcomed, but I don't
think we need to take this kind of risk.</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br>
</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">Sorry for
my bad English. Hope you get the ideas.</span></font></div>
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class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br>
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<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">Best
regards from a non librarian but a big fan of the project lol,</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">Leonardo
Cunha</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;">(laobc)<br>
</span></font>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><br>
</span></font></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2010/6/16 chovynz <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:chovynz@gmail.com">chovynz@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
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<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">Yes we did have this issue,
but on different clipart. I was just
supporting the conclusion that I read from that thread.<br>
<br>
I think it does matter that other sites restrict use of their stuff. As
I said on some other issues, I really don't care, either way, I just
want to be sure I'm taking the right actions. I don't like to make this
kind of messy "legal" and "moral" decision, so I'll support the
decision we come to. I've been trying to pin Jon down on this issue for
awhile now for him to make a decision on it, but he keeps dodging. :-)
Ultimately it's "his" site, so a decision from him on this would be
nice. Do we ignore their Few Exceptions or do we consider their PD
free-game (and us viewed as a "bully".) <br>
<br>
At the moment I think our policy on "safe" PD stops us from using any
clipart from sites that make silly exceptions like this, because once
you put any requirements on a PD clipart, it's no longer PD.<br>
<br>
I would like some clarity on this, and I think ultimatelt only the Site
Owners (Jon + ?) can decide. We can try to influence them either way.<br>
<br>
I'm against taking clipart from sites that make exceptions like these.
John Olson is against (as far as I understand.) I think Nicubunu might
be against, but I'm not sure.<br>
Jarod is for "not caring" about their exceptions.<br>
<br>
Anyone else want to have their say?<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
<font color="#888888">Chovynz</font>
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On 16/06/2010 6:21 p.m., Jarod Russel wrote:
<blockquote type="cite"> Didn't we had this just the other day? If
their cliparts are pd than
their "Few Exceptions" do not matter, except for the logo and trademark
one. Such restrictions are pointless and can be ignored with real pd
material. <br>
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Am 16-Jun-10 02:51 PM, schrieb chovynz:
<blockquote type="cite"> Clipart from <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.freeclipartnow.com" target="_blank">http://www.freeclipartnow.com</a>
cannot be accepted.<br>
Taken from <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.freeclipartnow.com/termsofuse.php" target="_blank">http://www.freeclipartnow.com/termsofuse.php</a>
on 16 June
2010, at 5:46pm<br>
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<b>"Product Usage</b><br>
All graphics on this site are placed into the Public Domain, which
means that you can do almost whatever you wish with it.
You can put the clipart into your own drawings and documents without
any affect on the copyright or license of your work. <br>
<br>
Few Exceptions.<br>
<ul>
<li>Company logos and trademarks can be used under "fair use"
policy.
More info <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Logos" target="_blank">here</a>.</li>
<li>You may NOT use any component of our clipart or site
content
to
produce what could be directly or indirectly considered a competitive
venture against us.</li>
<li>It's not necessary to provide a link back to this site,
but
it
would be greatly appreciated"</li>
</ul>
Clipart affected.<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.openclipart.org/index.php?pretty=detail/67141"
target="_blank">http://www.openclipart.org/index.php?pretty=detail/67141</a>
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