<html dir="ltr"><head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <meta name="GENERATOR" content="MSHTML 8.00.6001.18702"> <style title="owaParaStyle"></style> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" ocsi="x"> <div dir="ltr"><font color="#000000" size="2" face="Tahoma"><font color="#000000" size="2" face="Tahoma">Explanation</font> of use:</font></div> <div dir="ltr"><font color="#000000" size="2" face="Tahoma">I used some of the images from OCAL for the state UIL contest for music memory. It is non-profit, however if they print it the music maps they will be sold to schools to cover the cost of the printing. It is for educational use.</font></div> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="tahoma">They paid me to create some of the art and assemble a montage of images for the music maps.</font></div> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="tahoma"></font> </div> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="tahoma">Question:</font></div> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="tahoma">This email has me worried that even PD and CC images may not be truly free for any use. Are they?</font></div> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="tahoma"></font> </div> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="tahoma"></font> </div> <div> <div><font size="2" face="Tahoma">Jody Rentfro</font></div> <div><font size="2" face="tahoma">Technology Specialist</font></div> <div><font size="2" face="tahoma">972-350-1824</font></div> </div> <div style="DIRECTION: ltr" id="divRpF908490"> <hr tabindex="-1"> <font size="2" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> clipart-bounces+rentfroj=lisd.net@lists.freedesktop.org [clipart-bounces+rentfroj=lisd.net@lists.freedesktop.org] On Behalf Of chovynz [chovynz@gmail.com]<br> <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 16, 2010 4:23 PM<br> <b>To:</b> clipart<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Clipart] Librarians be aware of http://www.freeclipartnow.com<br> </font><br> </div> <div></div> <div>Hi Guys, please remember to "reply to all" or put the mailing list in the replies. :) I've had two replies so far which would be better on the mailing list than to me directly.<br> <br> Here's a reply from a chap at Creative Commons to the discussions we've had. Start from the bottom up.<br> <br> Cheers<br> Choyvnz<br> <br> -------- Original Message -------- <table class="moz-email-headers-table" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tbody> <tr> <th valign="baseline" nowrap="" align="right">Subject: </th> <td>Re: A comment from Chovynz</td> </tr> <tr> <th valign="baseline" nowrap="" align="right">Date: </th> <td>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 17:04:56 -0400</td> </tr> <tr> <th valign="baseline" nowrap="" align="right">From: </th> <td>Nathan Kinkade <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nkinkade@creativecommons.org"> <nkinkade@creativecommons.org></a></td> </tr> <tr> <th valign="baseline" nowrap="" align="right">To: </th> <td><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:chovynz@gmail.com">chovynz@gmail.com</a></td> </tr> <tr> <th valign="baseline" nowrap="" align="right">CC: </th> <td><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:info@creativecommons.org">info@creativecommons.org</a></td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <br> <br> Hi,<br> <br> I have to state up front that, as Tobias stated for you on the list,<br> neither am I lawyer. I have been answering questions like this for a<br> long time, but none of it should be taken for fact or legal advice.<br> Also, CC isn't a license law firm and isn't able to provide legal<br> advice. What I can do is to give you my take on the matter based on<br> how I understand things to work.<br> <br> First thread:<br> <br> CC0 is not a license; it is more like a waiver or badge of intent.<br> It's an important distinction. CC0 should be used by copyright<br> holders who would like to waive as many rights as applicable law<br> allows. The PD document should be used by people who want to tag or<br> mark public domain works they find as being in the public domain to<br> the best of their knowledge. I don't think someone should be tagging<br> a public domain work with a CC0 badge. Instead, I think the PD badge<br> is more appropriate:<br> <br> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/" target="_blank">http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/</a><br> <br> Second thread:<br> <br> I couldn't read the whole thing, sorry. It's just too long, and we<br> are too few at CC. I scanned it, though, and really the matter comes<br> down to this: risk assessment. If they published something on their<br> site and *say* that it's "public domain," except for this that and the<br> other thing, how will that stand up in court, which is all that really<br> matters at the end of the day? If they tell you to take it down, you<br> do. If they sue you, it's another matter. Likewise, it's another<br> matter if someone uses it from OCAL then gets sued by the people who<br> own it. Their claim that it is public domain, but with some<br> exceptions, may just be a semantic difference. Maybe what they mean<br> to say is: "This is *practically* public domain, but respect these few<br> things. My only advice is to simply contact that site for<br> clarification, if you haven't already.<br> <br> This may not be a satisfactory answer, but there is no other, really,<br> except for giving out opinions. When all is said and done, what<br> anyone says, lawyer or not, means nothing unless they have the<br> opportunity to argue and win their point in a court before a judge.<br> This is why I say it's about risk assessment. Are you prepared to<br> take the chance that they will sue you or some user of OCAL.<br> <br> Best,<br> <br> Nathan<br> <br> <br> On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Creative Commons<br> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:info@creativecommons.org"><info@creativecommons.org></a> wrote:<br> > A new submission (form: "Contact")<br> > ============================================<br> > Submitted on: June 16, 2010<br> > Via: /<br> > By 118.92.181.42 (visitor IP).<br> ><br> ><br> ><br> > -----------------------------------------------------------<br> ><br> > Name: Chovynz<br> > Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:chovynz@gmail.com">chovynz@gmail.com</a><br> > Subject:: General information<br> > Website: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://openclipart.org/" target="_blank">http://openclipart.org/</a><br> ><br> > Message:<br> > I am a Librarian for Open Clipart Library. We use the Public Domain Waiver for our clipart.<br> ><br> > I have two questions that I would really really appreciate you guys taking some time to answer.<br> ><br> > The first is here. <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/pipermail/clipart/2010-June/010730.html" target="_blank"> http://lists.freedesktop.org/pipermail/clipart/2010-June/010730.html</a>, self-explanatory.<br> ><br> > The second is here.http://lists.freedesktop.org/pipermail/clipart/2010-June/010731.html. Part of the question is "If a site claims it's 'clipart' to be PD, can they put restrictions on those clipart, like "You can not upload this to a competitive venture." Is their statement, legally invalid, and is it still ok to take their clipart and put it on our site, especially if they use a different format. "<br> > Please read the entire thread so that you know where we are up to in the discussion.<br> ><br> > Where does legality, and ethics come into this?<br> ><br> > Thank you for your time. Please feel free to email me any answer, and I'll upload it to the mailing list.<br> ><br> ><br> ><br> ><br> <br> </div> </body> </html>