<blockquote style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;" class="gmail_quote">I'd like to link this in with the <a href="http://www.openclipart.org/librarians" target="_blank">http://www.openclipart.org/librarians</a> page. And put them on the About page also. </blockquote><div> For that matter I'd also suggest <ol><li>We make those policy pages live and open on the website, so that more people can see it and not just those who are on the mailing list. More eyes in a community project helps immensly. Let's get the entire OCAL author base involved? </li><li>We add "if you want to help write any of these polices, please send an email to <a href="mailto:jon@rejon.org">jon@rejon.org</a>, or join the mailing list <joining link> to continue the discussion <discussion link>" to the disclaimer at the top.</li> <li>Allow more time for the consensus to come back on the DMCA, and on the CC0 issue. OR, you make the decision for what you feel is best for OCAL, and stop calling it a community project, when there's only about 10 people doing things on it. Ultimately you pay the bills for OCAL so I think you have more than 51% of the vote, but you either have to act on that, or re-structure the way you operate the community project. (I'm not telling you how to do your "job" or role, I'm just saying something that might help. Teach me how to say it better, if I've said it offensively.)</li> </ol>It's good seeing progress! </div> <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 3:32 PM, <a href="mailto:jon@rejon.org">jon@rejon.org</a> <<a href="mailto:jon@rejon.org">jon@rejon.org</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="ltr">Yep, that's right, thanks chovynz. C, working on this right now to get out before the next openclipart list. <a href="https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openclipart/+spec/dmca-procedure" target="_blank">https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openclipart/+spec/dmca-procedure</a> We have <a href="http://openclipart.org/dmca" target="_blank">http://openclipart.org/dmca</a> and <a href="http://openclipart.org/policies" target="_blank">http://openclipart.org/policies</a> which are drafts. My recommendation is to go with CC Zero Public Domain Dedication tool which is closest to our intention and works internationally. Please comment on those drafts now...you are correct that we must do something sooner rather than later. Could you help by filing those pages as bugs on our bug tracker so we remember to fix them. If you find other references, please let us know: <a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/openclipart" target="_blank">https://bugs.launchpad.net/openclipart</a> Great! Jon<div><div></div><div class="h5"> <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 5:15 AM, chovynz <<a href="mailto:chovynz@gmail.com" target="_blank">chovynz@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">I'm forwarding this to the clipart list due to a mistake on my part. <div class="gmail_quote"> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: chovynz <<a href="mailto:chovynz@gmail.com" target="_blank">chovynz@gmail.com</a>> Date: Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [Clipart] missing 'Statement' To: <a href="mailto:clipart@sacredsoundsystems.com" target="_blank">clipart@sacredsoundsystems.com</a> Hi C We are in the process of figuring this out ourselves! With the retirement of CC's Public Domain tool, we are considering various routes about where to go from here. More info can be found at : <a href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/pipermail/clipart/2010-November/011145.html" target="_blank">http://lists.freedesktop.org/pipermail/clipart/2010-November/011145.html</a> <a href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/pipermail/clipart/2010-November/011179.html" target="_blank">http://lists.freedesktop.org/pipermail/clipart/2010-November/011179.html</a> <a href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/pipermail/clipart/2010-December/011180.html" target="_blank">http://lists.freedesktop.org/pipermail/clipart/2010-December/011180.html</a> We currently have this, but it's not linked to/from anywhere so not really accessible to the general public, nor definitive, nor authoritative, nor really much accepted. <a href="http://www.openclipart.org/about-public-domain" target="_blank">http://www.openclipart.org/about-public-domain</a> Someone sometime is going to have to make a decision. Until then, I'd say most of the cliparts are under CC Public Domain definition (retired). Do your due diligence and use good sense when aquiring "free" clipart from anywhere. As for the legal status ... PD is PD. Most of the contributions are submitted under good faith into the Public Domain from the artists themselves. There are however a few "harvesters" that take clipart from other places, without permission. Where possible, librarians have marked such clipart with the tags pd_issue, copyright violation, potential copyright violation, or other tags such as these. Keep your eyes open and you should be able to avoid the troublesome ones. Any clipart with logos should be treated as unusable or as a copyright violation - and this mailing list notified. Same deal with clearly infringing works i.e. Donald Duck clipart. It may take some time for us to make up our collective hive minds about this stinging issue. I hope you continue to "bee" with us while we buzz about. We need to wax eloquent upon the issues at stake. At some point we'll all swarm over it then fly away and do our own thing. Maybee a queen response will emerge. Maybee not. In the meantime, the workers will continue to do their sweet duty of adding to the collective ...er... I mean collection. Cheers Chovynz<div><div></div><div><div><div></div><div> <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 2:22 AM, <<a href="mailto:clipart@sacredsoundsystems.com" target="_blank">clipart@sacredsoundsystems.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> Hi list, I'm currently auditing my company's media asset copyright documentation, and am writing to inquire as to where I can obtain a copy of Openclipart.org's copyright notice. So far I've located conflicting statements on <a href="http://www.openclipart.org" target="_blank">www.openclipart.org</a>. At this address: <a href="http://www.openclipart.org/wiki/About" target="_blank">http://www.openclipart.org/wiki/About</a> The copyright statement reads as follows: "All graphics submitted to the project are in the Public Domain according to the statement by the Creative Commons." The text 'Public Domain' links to this address: <a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/publicdomain/" target="_blank">http://creativecommons.org/licenses/publicdomain/</a> Which states in part: "Creative Commons has retired this legal tool and does not recommend that it be applied to works." And goes on in further detail to state: "A certifier has taken reasonable steps to verify the copyright status of this work." However this page does not define the term 'reasonable steps', and fails to link to any legal documentation to that effect. Of course this is a publicly-editable wiki, and as far as I'm aware no legal precident exists which would allow for it's content to provide any expectation of validity in a court of law on any continent. And as such further investigation along this vector is rendered moot. The next Openclipart publication addressing the subject of blanket copyright, as per the official website's 'About' tab, at this address: <a href="http://www.openclipart.org/about" target="_blank">http://www.openclipart.org/about</a> Which states: "All graphics submitted to the project should be placed into the Public Domain according to the statement by the Creative Commons." In this case the text 'Public Domain' links to this address: <a href="http://creativecommons.org/license/publicdomain-2?lang=en" target="_blank">http://creativecommons.org/license/publicdomain-2?lang=en</a> Which is the same 'retired legal tool' (as defined by it's publishers) which the wiki links to, albeit via an address 1 link depth away from this one. This statement contains a second link in it's text 'Creative Commons' which sadly, is equally as unhelpful. It links to the Creative Commons Corporation's homepage by means of a redirect from here: <a href="http://www.creativecommons.org/" target="_blank">http://www.creativecommons.org/</a> To here: <a href="http://creativecommons.org/" target="_blank">http://creativecommons.org/</a> Perhaps worth noting is that these 2 statements appear to identify a policy of blanket coverage defining all hosted content as being public domain licensed, with the small exception of the wiki choosing the word 'are' as opposed to the less-than-definitive verbage chosen by the official Openclipart.org site's version of the same statement and instead uses the word 'should'. Also I see that both these statements refer to that which is described by both as 'the statement by the Creative Commons', yet none of this text contains a link to said 'statement'. Of course as luck would have it, this seems it would be the 'statement' I need for my audit. If someone would kindly point me toward pertinent, authoritative documentation, I would greatly appreciate it. Kind Regards, -C _______________________________________________ clipart mailing list <a href="mailto:clipart@lists.freedesktop.org" target="_blank">clipart@lists.freedesktop.org</a> <a href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/clipart" target="_blank">http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/clipart</a> </blockquote></div> </div></div></div></div></div> -- Cheers Chovynz _______________________________________________ clipart mailing list <a href="mailto:clipart@lists.freedesktop.org" target="_blank">clipart@lists.freedesktop.org</a> <a href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/clipart" target="_blank">http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/clipart</a> </blockquote></div> -- </div></div><div dir="ltr">Jon Phillips <a href="http://rejon.org/" target="_blank">http://rejon.org/</a> <a href="http://fabricatorz.com/" target="_blank">http://fabricatorz.com/</a> chat/skype: kidproto | irc: rejon +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.187.1003.9974 (china) +65.8330.5807 (singapore) </div> </div> </blockquote></div> -- Cheers Chovynz