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<div>Hi Jon, </div>
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<div>I had a quick look at the documents, I presume it's just you
hammering at it by the lack of response.</div>
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<div>Regarding the <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://openclipart.org/dmca">http://openclipart.org/dmca</a> page, what caught
my attention was the left side of the footer where it says 'The
actual content on open clipart library is Public domain'.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>That still links to the retired licensing tool on Creative
Commons. </div>
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<div>I think a more appropriate page for that to link to would be
the <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://openclipart.org/policies">http://openclipart.org/policies</a> page, which contains more
along the line of what I'm expecting to see when I'm looking to
acquire documentation backing the stated usage rights.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>However, I still feel this <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://openclipart.org/policies">http://openclipart.org/policies</a>
page could provide more in terms of reassuring these rights.<br>
<br>
<br>
EDIT:<br>
<br>
This draft has been sitting in my inbox for quite awhile, and
lately I simply don't have anywhere the time I'd like to be able
to spend with this.<br>
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<div> <br>
I hope to revisit the subject and contribute something tangible
at some point- it's just not happening now.<br>
<br>
I would like to point out a public resource that may be helpful,
while also providing an opportunity to extend the OpenClipArt
spirit into the realm of PD legal documentation(s). This
resource is a wiki called 'OwnTerms', and it can be found at
this URL:<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://ownterms.pbworks.com">http://ownterms.pbworks.com</a><br>
<br>
I wanted to outline some UX, it'll have to wait.<br>
<br>
<br>
Kindest Regards,<br>
<br>
-C<br>
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<div>On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 10:32 +0800, <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jon@rejon.org">"jon@rejon.org"</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jon@rejon.org"><jon@rejon.org></a> wrote:</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Yep, that's right, thanks chovynz.<br>
<br>
C, working on this right now to get out before the next
openclipart list.<br>
<br>
<a
href="https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openclipart/+spec/dmca-procedure">https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openclipart/+spec/dmca-procedure</a><br>
<br>
We have <a href="http://openclipart.org/dmca">http://openclipart.org/dmca</a>
and <a href="http://openclipart.org/policies">http://openclipart.org/policies</a>
which are drafts.<br>
<br>
My recommendation is to go with CC Zero Public Domain
Dedication tool which is closest to our intention and
works internationally.<br>
<br>
Please comment on those drafts now...you are correct that
we must do something sooner rather than later.<br>
<br>
Could you help by filing those pages as bugs on our bug
tracker so we remember to fix them. If you find other
references, please let us know: <br>
<br>
<a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/openclipart">https://bugs.launchpad.net/openclipart</a><br>
<br>
Great!<br>
<br>
Jon<br>
<br>
<br>
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<div class="me64205gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at
5:15 AM, chovynz <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:chovynz@gmail.com">chovynz@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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padding-left: 1ex;" class="me64205gmail_quote">I'm
forwarding this to the clipart list due to a mistake
on my part.<br>
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<span dir="ltr"><<a target="_blank"
href="mailto:chovynz@gmail.com">chovynz@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
Date: Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:13 AM<br>
Subject: Re: [Clipart] missing 'Statement'<br>
To: <a target="_blank"
href="mailto:clipart@sacredsoundsystems.com">clipart@sacredsoundsystems.com</a><br>
<br>
<br>
Hi C<br>
<br>
We are in the process of figuring this out
ourselves!<br>
<br>
With the retirement of CC's Public Domain tool, we
are considering various routes about where to go
from here.<br>
More info can be found at :<br>
<br>
<a target="_blank"
href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/pipermail/clipart/2010-November/011145.html">http://lists.freedesktop.org/pipermail/clipart/2010-November/011145.html</a><br>
<a target="_blank"
href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/pipermail/clipart/2010-November/011179.html">http://lists.freedesktop.org/pipermail/clipart/2010-November/011179.html</a><br>
<a target="_blank"
href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/pipermail/clipart/2010-December/011180.html">http://lists.freedesktop.org/pipermail/clipart/2010-December/011180.html</a><br>
<br>
We currently have this, but it's not linked to/from
anywhere so not really accessible to the general
public, nor definitive, nor authoritative, nor
really much accepted. <a target="_blank"
href="http://www.openclipart.org/about-public-domain">http://www.openclipart.org/about-public-domain</a><br>
<br>
Someone sometime is going to have to make a
decision. Until then, I'd say most of the cliparts
are under CC Public Domain definition (retired). Do
your due diligence and use good sense when aquiring
"free" clipart from anywhere. As for the legal
status ... PD is PD. Most of the contributions are
submitted under good faith into the Public Domain
from the artists themselves. There are however a few
"harvesters" that take clipart from other places,
without permission. Where possible, librarians have
marked such clipart with the tags pd_issue,
copyright violation, potential copyright violation,
or other tags such as these. Keep your eyes open and
you should be able to avoid the troublesome ones.
Any clipart with logos should be treated as unusable
or as a copyright violation - and this mailing list
notified. Same deal with clearly infringing works
i.e. Donald Duck clipart.<br>
<br>
It may take some time for us to make up our
collective hive minds about this stinging issue. I
hope you continue to "bee" with us while we buzz
about. We need to wax eloquent upon the issues at
stake. At some point we'll all swarm over it then
fly away and do our own thing. Maybee a queen
response will emerge. Maybee not. In the meantime,
the workers will continue to do their sweet duty of
adding to the collective ...er... I mean collection.
<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
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<div class="me64205gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec
7, 2010 at 2:22 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a
target="_blank"
href="mailto:clipart@sacredsoundsystems.com">clipart@sacredsoundsystems.com</a>></span>
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204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"
class="me64205gmail_quote"> Hi list,<br>
<br>
I'm currently auditing my company's
media asset copyright documentation,<br>
and am writing to inquire as to where I
can obtain a copy of<br>
Openclipart.org's copyright notice.<br>
<br>
So far I've located conflicting
statements on <a target="_blank"
href="http://www.openclipart.org">www.openclipart.org</a>.<br>
<br>
At this address:<br>
<a target="_blank"
href="http://www.openclipart.org/wiki/About">http://www.openclipart.org/wiki/About</a><br>
<br>
The copyright statement reads as
follows:<br>
"All graphics submitted to the project
are in the Public Domain<br>
according to the statement by the
Creative Commons."<br>
<br>
The text 'Public Domain' links to this
address:<br>
<a target="_blank"
href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/publicdomain/">http://creativecommons.org/licenses/publicdomain/</a><br>
<br>
Which states in part:<br>
"Creative Commons has retired this legal
tool and does not recommend<br>
that it be applied to works."<br>
<br>
And goes on in further detail to state:<br>
"A certifier has taken reasonable steps
to verify the copyright status<br>
of this work."<br>
<br>
However this page does not define the
term 'reasonable steps', and fails<br>
to link to any legal documentation to
that effect.<br>
<br>
Of course this is a publicly-editable
wiki, and as far as I'm aware no<br>
legal precident exists which would allow
for it's content to provide any<br>
expectation of validity in a court of
law on any continent. And as such<br>
further investigation along this vector
is rendered moot.<br>
<br>
The next Openclipart publication
addressing the subject of blanket<br>
copyright, as per the official website's
'About' tab, at this address:<br>
<a target="_blank"
href="http://www.openclipart.org/about">http://www.openclipart.org/about</a><br>
<br>
Which states:<br>
"All graphics submitted to the project
should be placed into the Public<br>
Domain according to the statement by the
Creative Commons."<br>
<br>
In this case the text 'Public Domain'
links to this address:<br>
<a target="_blank"
href="http://creativecommons.org/license/publicdomain-2?lang=en">http://creativecommons.org/license/publicdomain-2?lang=en</a><br>
<br>
Which is the same 'retired legal tool'
(as defined by it's publishers)<br>
which the wiki links to, albeit via an
address 1 link depth away from<br>
this one.<br>
<br>
This statement contains a second link in
it's text 'Creative Commons'<br>
which sadly, is equally as unhelpful.<br>
It links to the Creative Commons
Corporation's homepage by means of a<br>
redirect from here:<br>
<a target="_blank"
href="http://www.creativecommons.org/">http://www.creativecommons.org/</a><br>
<br>
To here:<br>
<a target="_blank"
href="http://creativecommons.org/">http://creativecommons.org/</a><br>
<br>
<br>
Perhaps worth noting is that these 2
statements appear to identify a<br>
policy of blanket coverage defining all
hosted content as being public<br>
domain licensed, with the small
exception of the wiki choosing the word<br>
'are' as opposed to the
less-than-definitive verbage chosen by
the<br>
official Openclipart.org site's version
of the same statement and<br>
instead uses the word 'should'.<br>
<br>
Also I see that both these statements
refer to that which is described<br>
by both as 'the statement by the
Creative Commons', yet none of this<br>
text contains a link to said
'statement'.<br>
<br>
Of course as luck would have it, this
seems it would be the 'statement'<br>
I need for my audit.<br>
<br>
<br>
If someone would kindly point me toward
pertinent, authoritative<br>
documentation, I would greatly
appreciate it.<br>
<br>
<br>
Kind Regards,<br>
<br>
-C<br>
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