I don't think you can do any worse that what happened yesterday. :) For the most part, I'd suggest you relax about not comfortable about working on a live site. That's one of the reasons why I put the "chovynz is working!" sign up, to make people aware that weird things could happen. I do understand the thinking though, which is why it's taken me this long to get to where I am with coding OCAL. However, now that I've done editing ON the live site for awhile, I now think that a test site is a waste of time. I mean we already had a BETA site with so much more features and fixed bugs on it, then when this one came through I was disappointed to see most of the changes was lost. You have good thoughts, though. All I'm doing is commenting on the idea. I'm against having a test site, and just want other devs to just jump in on the live site. If my opinion weighs anything, my vote is against, but i don't want the discussion to stop. Ultimately the choice is Jon's/server owners. Convince him either way. <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 5:54 AM, J. Alves <<a href="mailto:alvesjmp@gmail.com">alvesjmp@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> By the way, I was wondering about that these days. Maybe this has been discussed before and I missed it, in which case I apologize for the repetition... Just let me know and I return to under me bridge. :-) I am thinking of trying to learn Aiki, php and all that to be able to help with the code side of things. But I would never feel comfortable touching the live site even after I'm fluent in those technologies, let alone during the learning process, so I was hoping there was a parallel code or site for this type of activity. You know, a sort of private mirror of OpenClipart's code (not necessary to have the full database, although that would be nice too) where people would develop and tweak without worry that the main site was getting screwed up (as its looks were when I looked 5 min ago, for example). Then, when we were confident that the modifications are working and nothing is getting damaged in the DB by our actions, then it would be time to patch the old code with the new stuff. That's what I do with my little web apps that are not important and don't have any traffic beyond two or three labs and not 1,000s of visitors a day like OCAL. Is anything like that in place for OCAL? I suspect not. The next best alternative of having a working development branch of the site would be to give people the full code for installing at their home server so they can work on it there (is that available? I'd like that). Then they would send the modifications either to the main site or to a (few) central person(s) who'd integrate the code with the live site every once in a while. Imagine for example if I try to solve the tags problem or try to implement the "idea mill" I registered in the blueprints (is that the place for ideas of new features?) or whatever, and in the process ALL tags for ALL cliparts get mangled to something unexpected and useless. That would be a huge disaster and I'd have to hide from librarians for the rest of my life. :-) OK, I suppose there are backups, but still a pain in the proverbial. Cheers J <div><div></div><div class="h5"> On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 6:02 AM, Bassel Safadi <<a href="mailto:bassel.safadi@gmail.com">bassel.safadi@gmail.com</a>> wrote: > it seems a server side problem, I emailed osuosl about, hope to get it back > soon > > On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 5:43 AM, chovynz <<a href="mailto:chovynz@gmail.com">chovynz@gmail.com</a>> wrote: >> >> To Jon or Bassel >> >> I hope you have backups. >> I'm tired of the interlinked problems. >> >> The only thing I did was change one value in the css. >> div.r-img-i {width:110px;} >> to >> div.r-img-i {width:100px;} >> >> And the whole site crashed. This after successfully already unwinding much >> of the css spagehtti code. Fucking stupid. >> Now, I can't login to admin, and no-one can see the site. Nothing I can do >> from my end. Someone with ssh access is going to have to fix whatever went >> wrong. >> >> I was editing the "main" widget css at the time. I hope you've got a log >> file of what happened, because I'm sure I did nothing that would cause this, >> since I was only playing with the layouts of the cliparts that were >> displayed on the main page to get them to fit better. If i did do something, >> then I need to know what it was, so that I can avoid that in the future. >> >> I'm going to take a break. sheesh. >> >> -- >> Cheers >> Chovynz > > > > -- > Bassel Safadi > <a href="http://bassel.ws" target="_blank">http://bassel.ws</a> > <a href="http://aikilab.org" target="_blank">http://aikilab.org</a> > Global +1 323-545-3855 > Singapore +65 93488349 > > </div></div>> _______________________________________________ > clipart mailing list > <a href="mailto:clipart@lists.freedesktop.org">clipart@lists.freedesktop.org</a> > <a href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/clipart" target="_blank">http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/clipart</a> > > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ João Marcelo Pereira Alves (J) - Genomics, Molecular Phylogeny and Evolution Dept. Microbiology & Immunology - MCV/VCU - Richmond, VA, USA f. 1-804-828-3897 / 804-852-1234 - <a href="http://bioinfo.lpb.mic.vcu.edu" target="_blank">http://bioinfo.lpb.mic.vcu.edu</a> </blockquote></div> -- Cheers Chovynz