Dear Cari<br>Ok, it is enough for me. I will remove the knot from OCAL's website. Thank you for following up on this.<br><br>I do have one further question. How did <span style="background-color:transparent"><span style="line-height:15px">TrnsltLife get hold of your original in 1997 so that he could digitise it? Did you two meet previously?<br>
<br>Cheers<br>Chovynz<br><br><br></span></span><br><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Cari Buziak</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cari@aon-celtic.com">cari@aon-celtic.com</a>></span><br>
Date: 29 August 2011 10:57<br>Subject: overlay of knot...<br>To: <a href="mailto:chovynz@gmail.com">chovynz@gmail.com</a><br>Cc: <a href="mailto:oneminuteinspirations@gmail.com">oneminuteinspirations@gmail.com</a><br><br>
<br><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>Attached is my standard DMCA letter, current as of this year.</div><div><br></div><div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Attached also is the overlay of the two knots. As this is a very old knot of mine, when I began not everything I did was created directly in computer, so my early knots didn't have the perfect symmetry they usually do now. I had to handdraw, then scan, then redraw using the computer, whereas right now I sketch directly in the computer so it's pretty easy to get things exact.</div>
<div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>This knot shows the errors of handdrawing quite clearly, which are also evident in the OpenClipArt version, in the exact same place! lol Most especially you can see that the left and right lower points are not exactly the same. In the top examples in my overlay sheet, I've drawn a box so you can see that they do not extend to the box edge using the same curve, or the same distance. In the direct overlay, they two line up nearly perfectly despite the error of the left and right corners not being drawn in perfect symmetry, except for some wiggles in the OpenClipArt version from the tracing action.</div>
<div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>The new row shows each design flipped or mirrored on the vertical axis. Here again it really highlights how the left and right points are not the same... and also how the OpenClipArt version is not the same by the EXACT same amount and in the same way... hmmmm... ;-)</div>
<div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Lastly, in another example both designs are rotated by 120degrees. In a perfectly symmetrical design created in thirds like this, each rotation of 120degrees should be exact... hoever again we see the misalignment of the points. And again the OpenClipArt is off by the exact same amount as the original. It would be beyond coincident to believe that someone else managed to draw not only the exact same design, the same thickness and proportions, with the exact same errors in symmetry??? </div>
<div><br></div><div>Please remove th<span style="background-color:transparent">is from the OpenClipArt website immediately. You have no idea the problems this has created for me copyright-wise, with people downloading this thinking that it's public domain as it states on your website. NO IDEA. What a freaking hassle. I have copyright issues up the wazzoo because of this stupid <span style="line-height:15px">Jeremy Brown / TrnsltLife person, and I hope he gets a slap on the side of the head for this!!!</span></span></div>
<div><span style="line-height:15px;background-color:transparent"><br></span></div><div><span style="line-height:15px;background-color:transparent">Let me know if you need anything further from me.</span></div><div><span style="line-height:15px;background-color:transparent">Thanks,<br>
</span><font color="#888888"><div><span style="background-color:transparent">-Cari</span></div><div></div></font></div></div><br><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div></div><div></div></div></div><br><div style="word-wrap:break-word">
<div><div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><div><div>On 2011-08-26, at 10:44 PM, <a href="mailto:artstuff@aon-celtic.com" target="_blank">artstuff@aon-celtic.com</a> wrote:</div><br><div>
I'll be happy to provide an overlay of the design in question. It actually<br>is a trace of mine, right down to the errors! lol A little hard to claim<br>that it was a coincidence when even the errors are duplicated. ;-)<br>
Unfortunately tracing a design does not make it an original work, it makes<br>it a derivative copy under copyright laws, regardless of how rough the<br>trace ended up being when trying to copy a 72dpi design to smooth it out.<br>
<br>I am happy to provide my standard DMCA letter once I'm back in the office<br>as I'm just online answering emails from home for my assistant while she's<br>sick.<br><br>For your information, the knot you source here:<br>
<a href="http://schools.hcdsb.org/hlyt/default.aspx" target="_blank">http://schools.hcdsb.org/hlyt/default.aspx</a><br><br>is taken directly from my website. lol So yup... you're right that is very<br>similar! ;-) lol It's mine again, and from my site as well. All my<br>
tutorial images are on the "parchment" looking swatches, as can be seen<br>here by way of example:<br><a href="http://aon-celtic.com/cknotbasic/cknotwork1.html" target="_blank">http://aon-celtic.com/cknotbasic/cknotwork1.html</a><br>
<br>As well, here it is again, licensed from me for my line of stencils<br>produced by Stencil Kingdom:<br><a href="http://stencilkingdom.com/catalogue/catalogue.php?page=celtic/catalogue_body_celtic_celtic75.php" target="_blank">http://stencilkingdom.com/catalogue/catalogue.php?page=celtic/catalogue_body_celtic_celtic75.php</a><br>
<br>I'll send you the overlay and also my usual DMCA letter my CIP lawyer<br>drafted for me when I'm in the office on the weekend.<br><br>Thanks guys!<br>Cari<br><br><br><br><br><br><blockquote type="cite">Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by<br>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> (<a href="mailto:chovynz@gmail.com" target="_blank">chovynz@gmail.com</a>) on Friday, August 26, 2011 at 18:52:57<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">---------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">name: Chovynz<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">comments: Dear Cari. Please see below and respond as you see fit. If you<br>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite">read from the bottom to the top it will make more sense.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">----<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">(I'll be CCing this to Cari)<br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Thank you for bringing this up Greg.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">I disagree.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">If this is the claimed knot as hers<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.aon-celtic.com/cgallery/cgallery61.html" target="_blank">http://www.aon-celtic.com/cgallery/cgallery61.html</a><br>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.openclipart.org/detail/6214/trinityknot-by-trnsltlife" target="_blank">http://www.openclipart.org/detail/6214/trinityknot-by-trnsltlife</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">You can see that it is different. Check the lines and route of the OCAL<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">knot. Some of the gaps and overlaps are quite different.<br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Cari is going to need to provide more proof than a copyright register<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">number (with no pictures). A source or photograph of said copyright<br>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite">infringement would be helpful. Doing it the DMCA way would also be<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">helpful. If we do get the proof, I will take OCAL's one down.<br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.openclipart.org/dmca" target="_blank">http://www.openclipart.org/dmca</a>. I would encourage Cari to talk to me.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
Cari's claim Registered : 2001-07-26<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Her picture : Copyright Cari Buziak, 1997<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">OCAL Knot Created : 2007-09-29 07:13:56<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Other knots I've googled :<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://schools.hcdsb.org/hlyt/default.aspx" target="_blank">http://schools.hcdsb.org/hlyt/default.aspx</a><br>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://cliparts101.com/free_clipart/11866/TrinityKnot.aspx" target="_blank">http://cliparts101.com/free_clipart/11866/TrinityKnot.aspx</a> (likely to be<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
from OCAL version.)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">While she's at it, she could also check the other celtic cliparts on OCAL<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">to see if there are any other infringements.<br>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.openclipart.org/search/?query=celtic" target="_blank">http://www.openclipart.org/search/?query=celtic</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.openclipart.org/tags/celtic" target="_blank">http://www.openclipart.org/tags/celtic</a><br>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">----<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On 27 August 2011 10:04, Greg Bulmash <<a href="mailto:oneminuteinspirations@gmail.com" target="_blank">oneminuteinspirations@gmail.com</a>><br>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite">wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> <a href="http://www.openclipart.org/detail/6214/trinityknot-by-trnsltlife" target="_blank">http://www.openclipart.org/detail/6214/trinityknot-by-trnsltlife</a><br>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> I got contacted by Cari Buziak who claimed this is her copyrighted<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">work and provided a Canadian copyright certificate number of 493115.<br>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> Here's the lookup from the Canadian copyright office...<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
<a href="http://www.ic.gc.ca/app/opic-cipo/cpyrghts/dtls.do?fileNum=416059&type=1&lang=eng" target="_blank">http://www.ic.gc.ca/app/opic-cipo/cpyrghts/dtls.do?fileNum=416059&type=1&lang=eng</a><br></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> I've removed it from my site. I suggest OCAL remove it as well.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> _______________________________________________<br>
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<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">--<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Cheers<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Chovynz<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">submit: Send! <br>
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