So the saying IS true!! Too many chefs spoil the broth!<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 20 October 2011 19:00, Greg Bulmash <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:oneminuteinspirations@gmail.com">oneminuteinspirations@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Their initial application was 2005, but I've seen John's chef on the<br>
side of a building (in an ad for the restaurant in the building)<br>
almost 10 years ago. It seems like something out of a Dover book.<br>
Theirs on the other hand is shaded, colored...<br>
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<a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Podravka_Vegeta.jpg" target="_blank">http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Podravka_Vegeta.jpg</a><span onmouseout="cancel = false; window.setTimeout(WRCHideContent, 1000); clearTimeout(showTimer);" onmouseover=" var self = this; showTimer = window.setTimeout(function(){WRCShowContent({'rating':{'value':81,'weight':100},'flags':{},'single':false,'ttl':7200,'expireTime':'20111020231651'}, self.className)},600);" class="wrc13" style="padding-right: 16px; width: 16px; height: 16px;"></span><br>
(larger size)<br>
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OTOH, if you check the USPTO site, they have an old registration that<br>
seems to have the chef in it from 1974, and their Wikipedia page says<br>
they launched the Vegeta brand (which is the brand that uses the chef)<br>
in 1959.<br>
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They admit that their chef and John's chef are similar, but not the<br>
same. But one is based on the other or they're both based on the same<br>
third image, because the similarities are remarkable. They have to be<br>
aggressive about defending their trademark against possible confusion,<br>
so such a similar image is a necessary target. But if it turns out<br>
this *is* PD and predates their logo... The question seems to be whose<br>
chef came first.<br>
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- Greg<br>
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On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 9:32 PM, chovynz <<a href="mailto:chovynz@gmail.com">chovynz@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> This is what I've found so far<br>
> <a href="http://www.trademarkia.com/vegeta-podravka-78580320.html" target="_blank">http://www.trademarkia.com/vegeta-podravka-78580320.html</a><span onmouseout="cancel = false; window.setTimeout(WRCHideContent, 1000); clearTimeout(showTimer);" onmouseover=" var self = this; showTimer = window.setTimeout(function(){WRCShowContent({'rating':{'value':-1,'weight':-1},'flags':{},'single':false,'ttl':7200,'expireTime':'20111020231651'}, self.className)},600);" class="wrc0" style="padding-right: 16px; width: 16px; height: 16px;"></span><br>
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> Trademark registration :11/7/2006 From the above website.<br>
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> OCAL version :2006-10-30 18:23:28<br>
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> It is possible that OCAL's version is not PD. Needs more looking into it.<br>
><br>
> On 20 October 2011 15:53, Greg Bulmash <<a href="mailto:oneminuteinspirations@gmail.com">oneminuteinspirations@gmail.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> I just received this letter yesterday, claiming that John Olsen's<br>
>> submission "Chef Says Okay" violates the trademarked chef of Podravka<br>
>> foods.<br>
>><br>
>> Clipart:<br>
>> <a href="http://www.openclipart.org/detail/1035/chef-says-okay-by-johnny_automatic" target="_blank">http://www.openclipart.org/detail/1035/chef-says-okay-by-johnny_automatic</a><span onmouseout="cancel = false; window.setTimeout(WRCHideContent, 1000); clearTimeout(showTimer);" onmouseover=" var self = this; showTimer = window.setTimeout(function(){WRCShowContent({'rating':{'value':97,'weight':11},'flags':{},'single':false,'ttl':7200,'expireTime':'20111020231651'}, self.className)},600);" class="wrc11" style="padding-right: 16px; width: 16px; height: 16px;"></span><br>
>> Letter: PDF attached<br>
>><br>
>> I contacted John and he's looking into the provenance of the image. We<br>
>> both believe the chef illustration predates Podravka's use. I've seen<br>
>> that chef in other non-Podravka advertising well before John submitted<br>
>> it to OCAL. It's probably an old clipart image which Podravka<br>
>> incorporated into their trademark. But John is going to have to go<br>
>> back through his records and find the source so we can be sure.<br>
>><br>
>> In the meantime, fair warning, Podravka is sending C&Ds. I've "hidden"<br>
>> it on my site as of this evening until such time as the original<br>
>> source of the image can be determined.<br>
>><br>
>> Best,<br>
>><br>
>> Greg<br>
>><br>
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