<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2180" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><SPAN class=postbody><FONT face=Arial size=2>hi, </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=postbody><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=postbody><FONT face=Arial size=2>my goal is to produce (for start) really tiny and simple Compiz-like "window manager", the main concern is size and speed... and by size i mean very tiny:1-2MB </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=postbody></SPAN><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN class=postbody></SPAN><SPAN class=postbody></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=postbody><FONT face=Arial size=2>since everyone is probably laughing (id be too, few months ago), i might start by showing its possible,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN class=postbody>actually there is already complete WORKING development environment for it... </SPAN><SPAN class=postbody>thanks to SciTech drivers it can run OpenGL without X, which cuts in size just enough, but not only that... its setup free, its plug'n'play... well, have a look, hope you'll find it interesting:</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=postbody><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=postbody><FONT face=Arial size=2>Linux based OpenGL development system without X</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=postbody><A href="http://one.xthost.info/zelko/opengl.html" target=_blank><FONT face=Arial size=2>http://one.xthost.info/zelko/opengl.html</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2> <BR><BR><BR>now, these scitech drivers are great considering all the stuff that is going(not going) on with Linux drivers, but the most important part, for COOL effects, is not (fully) HW accelerated, like draw to textures, blending... but, still... 3D cube desktop and all the -window distortion- effects can be done as it is! </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=postbody><FONT face=Arial size=2>im not sure if some of the earlier ATI cards that got specs out maybe even fully accelerated there, but no one seem to use/know about these drivers so its hard to find out..</FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=postbody></SPAN></DIV><SPAN class=postbody> <DIV><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>its all about drivers, OpenGL drivers, </FONT></DIV> <DIV></SPAN><SPAN class=postbody><FONT face=Arial size=2>i've tried these as well, but could not make them work:</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=postbody><FONT face=Arial size=2><BR></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>* fbdev/DRI <BR>* directFB <BR>* GGI/libGGI <BR></DIV></FONT> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>can someone, please, answer this:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>1.) are there any similar projects to this? </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>2.) anyone keen to help me make fbdev/DRI(miniglx) or GGI version of the system? </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>3.) who knows if its possible to "convert" binary ATI/nVidia drivers to work without X?<BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>thanks, <BR>zelko</FONT></SPAN><FONT face=Arial size=2> </FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>