[CREATE] [LGF-LGA] Ok, let's start with a website

[ricardo lafuente]

On 08/13/2010 01:56 PM, Schrijver wrote:
> But I repeat i.m.h.o. it is more important to start with the actual work of what should be *on* the website,

+1!

Btw, Jon's mention of "painting the bikeshed" is spot-on, imho. The 
following website

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/misc.html#BIKESHED-PAINTING

is a great and quick write-up on a wonderful metaphor that very often 
needs to be brought up.

Go LG[AF]!
:r


>
> Take care!
>
> Eric
>
>
> Op 13 aug 2010, om 14:40 heeft Camille Bissuel het volgende geschreven:
>
>> I completely agree with a.l.e ...
>> We don't want to recreate the wheel, we want to build a motor.
>> It was the whole point of my BoF session at LGM 2010. If you want to listen arguments, please read my presentation :
>> http://www.yagraph.org/images/LGM/what-about-a-lgf.svg (to look at in Firefox)
>>
>> So... some peoples like me and a.l.e fell the necessity of such a project, and we will do it.
>>
>> And, we have to start somewhere to make this "realidad" happen. A website is a good starting point.
>>
>> @a.l.e : Maybe we can contribute to Anwiki... we don't have a very short deadline.
>> We have to investigate more on Aïki too. Does someone can do the same "nice points" / "less nice points" list for Aïki ?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -- yagraph
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2010/8/13 jon at rejon.org<jon at rejon.org>
>> If it ain't broke, then don't fix it...is my position. I'm going to
>> focus on realidad.
>>
>> Jon
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 3:16 PM, a.l.e<ale.comp_06 at xox.ch>  wrote:
>>> hi jon,
>>>
>>>> This whole thread...what's the addage about painting a bikeshed? It
>>>> underscores my point about distractions from accomplishing a mission.
>>>> Are we here to make sites or a Foundation, both often covers for
>>>> trying to raise money to raise money, or are we trying to get
>>>> creative apps to work together better and build a flourishing
>>>> creative community?
>>>>
>>>> Also, I will point out the irony that all of our communication
>>>> happens on the create list and wiki.
>>>>
>>>> What's the point again? Or rather where is the concrete realidad to
>>>> this thread?
>>>>
>>>> Ok, im going to go back to getting LGM day at Foss.asia lined up, LGM
>>>> book, and then get sponsors for both...
>>>
>>> i can only give my point of view:
>>>
>>> - it's about an association not a foundation
>>>
>>> - this association should be a tool to promote the free software
>>>   graphics tools in education, art and graphic industry
>>>
>>> - this association should take over the promotion coordination work
>>>   among free software projects in the graphics field
>>>
>>> - this association should make sure that a LGM happens
>>>
>>> - this association should make sure that some sort of certification is
>>>   developed which applies for the free software graphics tools.
>>>
>>> i have the feeling that CREATE, in its current form, can't manage most
>>> of those tasks.
>>>
>>>
>>> btw, i'm more than happy if we can have a foundation, maybe covering a
>>> broader field than the graphics software, that we can work with / rely
>>> upon.
>>> but, in my views, rightt now, we don't have a financial problem to focus
>>> on: we have to find out how to get the professional world to use our
>>> software. once they are REALLY using our applications, we will have to
>>> worry, how to collect some money from them!
>>>
>>>
>>> and, as yuval pointed, the biggest problem with CREATE is its name/url:
>>>
>>> - i'm not happy with having a sub-domain for it
>>>
>>> - we can't have create.org
>>>
>>> - it's too close to a suite which already leads the largest parts of
>>>   the market we want to take over.
>>>
>>> (well, in an ideal world i would love to have the CREATE name... it's
>>> a wonderful name. much better than the one used for that suite. and much
>>> better than LG, too. but it's not available.)
>>>
>>>
>>> now, what's the point of starting by creating a website? no idea, but i
>>> guess that we have to start from somewhere and a website is a bit like
>>> a club house: a nice place where you feel welcome.
>>> we are  discussing about this since a couple of years and it's nice to
>>> see the work start!
>>>
>>>
>>> just my 2.5c.
>>>
>>> ciao
>>>
>>> a.l.e
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> p.s.: i was not aware that CREATE had activities outside of the
>>> graphics field. nice to know!
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