[CREATE] [LGF-LGA] Ok, let's start with a website

Fri Aug 13 11:05:26 PDT 2010

to Alexandre :

Why FSF is needed ?
Why Mozilla foundation is needed ?
Can't you see the great benefit of the Blender foundation for Blender ?
Have you an idea of the huge work they do ?

It's not about code, it's about peoples.
It's not only about market share, it's in a first place to become more
coherent ourselves.

I'm tired to answer that on this thread. We just need to talk about the
website here. I don't want to justufy the project for each mail I answer...

See you
-- yagraph

2010/8/13 Camille Bissuel <cbissuel at yagraph.org>

> Sorry, I send it to Ricardo only ...
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Camille Bissuel <cbissuel at yagraph.org>
> Date: 2010/8/13
> Subject: Re: [CREATE] [LGF-LGA] Ok, let's start with a website
> To: ricardo lafuente <bollecs at sollec.org>
>
>
> That's why I've started the discussion with the content before the
> technique :
>
>
> content is basically a portal :
>
>    - News (planet for projects and gallery)
>    - Projects (Presentations for Software and tools, Standards, Events,
>    Teaching certification)
>    - Peoples (Developers, Professional Artists, Teachers, Users)
>    - Resources (Directory for Documentation, How-tos, Tutorials, Glossary,
>    Gallery)
>    - About (LGA, website)
>
> But that's right no one commented on it yet. Please do so.
>
> Thanks for the support too ;)
> --yagraph
>
>
> 2010/8/13 ricardo lafuente <bollecs at sollec.org>
>
> On 08/13/2010 01:56 PM, Schrijver wrote:
>>
>>> But I repeat i.m.h.o. it is more important to start with the actual work
>>> of what should be *on* the website,
>>>
>>
>> +1!
>>
>> Btw, Jon's mention of "painting the bikeshed" is spot-on, imho. The
>> following website
>>
>>
>> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/misc.html#BIKESHED-PAINTING
>>
>> is a great and quick write-up on a wonderful metaphor that very often
>> needs to be brought up.
>>
>> Go LG[AF]!
>> :r
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Take care!
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>>
>>> Op 13 aug 2010, om 14:40 heeft Camille Bissuel het volgende geschreven:
>>>
>>>  I completely agree with a.l.e ...
>>>> We don't want to recreate the wheel, we want to build a motor.
>>>> It was the whole point of my BoF session at LGM 2010. If you want to
>>>> listen arguments, please read my presentation :
>>>> http://www.yagraph.org/images/LGM/what-about-a-lgf.svg (to look at in
>>>> Firefox)
>>>>
>>>> So... some peoples like me and a.l.e fell the necessity of such a
>>>> project, and we will do it.
>>>>
>>>> And, we have to start somewhere to make this "realidad" happen. A
>>>> website is a good starting point.
>>>>
>>>> @a.l.e : Maybe we can contribute to Anwiki... we don't have a very short
>>>> deadline.
>>>> We have to investigate more on Aïki too. Does someone can do the same
>>>> "nice points" / "less nice points" list for Aïki ?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> -- yagraph
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2010/8/13 jon at rejon.org<jon at rejon.org>
>>>> If it ain't broke, then don't fix it...is my position. I'm going to
>>>> focus on realidad.
>>>>
>>>> Jon
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 3:16 PM, a.l.e<ale.comp_06 at xox.ch>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> hi jon,
>>>>>
>>>>>  This whole thread...what's the addage about painting a bikeshed? It
>>>>>> underscores my point about distractions from accomplishing a mission.
>>>>>> Are we here to make sites or a Foundation, both often covers for
>>>>>> trying to raise money to raise money, or are we trying to get
>>>>>> creative apps to work together better and build a flourishing
>>>>>> creative community?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, I will point out the irony that all of our communication
>>>>>> happens on the create list and wiki.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What's the point again? Or rather where is the concrete realidad to
>>>>>> this thread?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok, im going to go back to getting LGM day at Foss.asia lined up, LGM
>>>>>> book, and then get sponsors for both...
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> i can only give my point of view:
>>>>>
>>>>> - it's about an association not a foundation
>>>>>
>>>>> - this association should be a tool to promote the free software
>>>>>  graphics tools in education, art and graphic industry
>>>>>
>>>>> - this association should take over the promotion coordination work
>>>>>  among free software projects in the graphics field
>>>>>
>>>>> - this association should make sure that a LGM happens
>>>>>
>>>>> - this association should make sure that some sort of certification is
>>>>>  developed which applies for the free software graphics tools.
>>>>>
>>>>> i have the feeling that CREATE, in its current form, can't manage most
>>>>> of those tasks.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> btw, i'm more than happy if we can have a foundation, maybe covering a
>>>>> broader field than the graphics software, that we can work with / rely
>>>>> upon.
>>>>> but, in my views, rightt now, we don't have a financial problem to
>>>>> focus
>>>>> on: we have to find out how to get the professional world to use our
>>>>> software. once they are REALLY using our applications, we will have to
>>>>> worry, how to collect some money from them!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> and, as yuval pointed, the biggest problem with CREATE is its name/url:
>>>>>
>>>>> - i'm not happy with having a sub-domain for it
>>>>>
>>>>> - we can't have create.org
>>>>>
>>>>> - it's too close to a suite which already leads the largest parts of
>>>>>  the market we want to take over.
>>>>>
>>>>> (well, in an ideal world i would love to have the CREATE name... it's
>>>>> a wonderful name. much better than the one used for that suite. and
>>>>> much
>>>>> better than LG, too. but it's not available.)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> now, what's the point of starting by creating a website? no idea, but i
>>>>> guess that we have to start from somewhere and a website is a bit like
>>>>> a club house: a nice place where you feel welcome.
>>>>> we are  discussing about this since a couple of years and it's nice to
>>>>> see the work start!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> just my 2.5c.
>>>>>
>>>>> ciao
>>>>>
>>>>> a.l.e
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> p.s.: i was not aware that CREATE had activities outside of the
>>>>> graphics field. nice to know!
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> CREATE mailing list
>>>>> CREATE at lists.freedesktop.org
>>>>> http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jon Phillips
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