[CREATE] [LGF-LGA] Ok, let's start with a website

Fri Aug 13 11:47:15 PDT 2010

!!!

"
I do not think that anyone wants to kill anyone project.
The whole purpose of the LGA proposition is collaboration between projects.
It's not "a ring to rule them all" neither.
"

I've talked about the project at LGM, and we agreed to lauch the project
with all peoples at the BoF including Louis and Cédric !
It's the same peoples and the same objective, no one is "diverting away",
please !

How many time should I try to explain ?

--yagraph

2010/8/13 jon at rejon.org <jon at rejon.org>

> Ok, all I see right now is something to divert funding away from LGM.
> Does anyone want that? Is that right?
>
> Jon
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 2:05 AM, Camille Bissuel <cbissuel at yagraph.org>
> wrote:
> > to Alexandre :
> >
> > Why FSF is needed ?
> > Why Mozilla foundation is needed ?
> > Can't you see the great benefit of the Blender foundation for Blender ?
> > Have you an idea of the huge work they do ?
> >
> > It's not about code, it's about peoples.
> > It's not only about market share, it's in a first place to become more
> > coherent ourselves.
> >
> > I'm tired to answer that on this thread. We just need to talk about the
> > website here. I don't want to justufy the project for each mail I
> answer...
> >
> > See you
> > -- yagraph
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2010/8/13 Camille Bissuel <cbissuel at yagraph.org>
> >>
> >> Sorry, I send it to Ricardo only ...
> >>
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: Camille Bissuel <cbissuel at yagraph.org>
> >> Date: 2010/8/13
> >> Subject: Re: [CREATE] [LGF-LGA] Ok, let's start with a website
> >> To: ricardo lafuente <bollecs at sollec.org>
> >>
> >>
> >> That's why I've started the discussion with the content before the
> >> technique :
> >>
> >> content is basically a portal :
> >>
> >> News (planet for projects and gallery)
> >> Projects (Presentations for Software and tools, Standards, Events,
> >> Teaching certification)
> >> Peoples (Developers, Professional Artists, Teachers, Users)
> >> Resources (Directory for Documentation, How-tos, Tutorials, Glossary,
> >> Gallery)
> >> About (LGA, website)
> >>
> >> But that's right no one commented on it yet. Please do so.
> >>
> >> Thanks for the support too ;)
> >> --yagraph
> >>
> >>
> >> 2010/8/13 ricardo lafuente <bollecs at sollec.org>
> >>>
> >>> On 08/13/2010 01:56 PM, Schrijver wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> But I repeat i.m.h.o. it is more important to start with the actual
> work
> >>>> of what should be *on* the website,
> >>>
> >>> +1!
> >>>
> >>> Btw, Jon's mention of "painting the bikeshed" is spot-on, imho. The
> >>> following website
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/misc.html#BIKESHED-PAINTING
> >>>
> >>> is a great and quick write-up on a wonderful metaphor that very often
> >>> needs to be brought up.
> >>>
> >>> Go LG[AF]!
> >>> :r
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Take care!
> >>>>
> >>>> Eric
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Op 13 aug 2010, om 14:40 heeft Camille Bissuel het volgende
> geschreven:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I completely agree with a.l.e ...
> >>>>> We don't want to recreate the wheel, we want to build a motor.
> >>>>> It was the whole point of my BoF session at LGM 2010. If you want to
> >>>>> listen arguments, please read my presentation :
> >>>>> http://www.yagraph.org/images/LGM/what-about-a-lgf.svg (to look at
> in
> >>>>> Firefox)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So... some peoples like me and a.l.e fell the necessity of such a
> >>>>> project, and we will do it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And, we have to start somewhere to make this "realidad" happen. A
> >>>>> website is a good starting point.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> @a.l.e : Maybe we can contribute to Anwiki... we don't have a very
> >>>>> short deadline.
> >>>>> We have to investigate more on Aïki too. Does someone can do the same
> >>>>> "nice points" / "less nice points" list for Aïki ?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>> -- yagraph
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2010/8/13 jon at rejon.org<jon at rejon.org>
> >>>>> If it ain't broke, then don't fix it...is my position. I'm going to
> >>>>> focus on realidad.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jon
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 3:16 PM, a.l.e<ale.comp_06 at xox.ch>  wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> hi jon,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This whole thread...what's the addage about painting a bikeshed? It
> >>>>>>> underscores my point about distractions from accomplishing a
> mission.
> >>>>>>> Are we here to make sites or a Foundation, both often covers for
> >>>>>>> trying to raise money to raise money, or are we trying to get
> >>>>>>> creative apps to work together better and build a flourishing
> >>>>>>> creative community?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Also, I will point out the irony that all of our communication
> >>>>>>> happens on the create list and wiki.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> What's the point again? Or rather where is the concrete realidad to
> >>>>>>> this thread?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Ok, im going to go back to getting LGM day at Foss.asia lined up,
> LGM
> >>>>>>> book, and then get sponsors for both...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> i can only give my point of view:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> - it's about an association not a foundation
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> - this association should be a tool to promote the free software
> >>>>>>  graphics tools in education, art and graphic industry
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> - this association should take over the promotion coordination work
> >>>>>>  among free software projects in the graphics field
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> - this association should make sure that a LGM happens
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> - this association should make sure that some sort of certification
> is
> >>>>>>  developed which applies for the free software graphics tools.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> i have the feeling that CREATE, in its current form, can't manage
> most
> >>>>>> of those tasks.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> btw, i'm more than happy if we can have a foundation, maybe covering
> a
> >>>>>> broader field than the graphics software, that we can work with /
> rely
> >>>>>> upon.
> >>>>>> but, in my views, rightt now, we don't have a financial problem to
> >>>>>> focus
> >>>>>> on: we have to find out how to get the professional world to use our
> >>>>>> software. once they are REALLY using our applications, we will have
> to
> >>>>>> worry, how to collect some money from them!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> and, as yuval pointed, the biggest problem with CREATE is its
> >>>>>> name/url:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> - i'm not happy with having a sub-domain for it
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> - we can't have create.org
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> - it's too close to a suite which already leads the largest parts of
> >>>>>>  the market we want to take over.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> (well, in an ideal world i would love to have the CREATE name...
> it's
> >>>>>> a wonderful name. much better than the one used for that suite. and
> >>>>>> much
> >>>>>> better than LG, too. but it's not available.)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> now, what's the point of starting by creating a website? no idea,
> but
> >>>>>> i
> >>>>>> guess that we have to start from somewhere and a website is a bit
> like
> >>>>>> a club house: a nice place where you feel welcome.
> >>>>>> we are  discussing about this since a couple of years and it's nice
> to
> >>>>>> see the work start!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> just my 2.5c.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ciao
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> a.l.e
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> p.s.: i was not aware that CREATE had activities outside of the
> >>>>>> graphics field. nice to know!
> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>> CREATE mailing list
> >>>>>> CREATE at lists.freedesktop.org
> >>>>>> http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Jon Phillips
> >>>>> http://rejon.org/
> >>>>> http://fabricatorz.com/
> >>>>> http://status.net/
> >>>>> http://rejon.status.net + skype: kidproto
> >>>>> +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global)
> >>>>> +86.187.1003.9974 (china)
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> CREATE mailing list
> >>>>> CREATE at lists.freedesktop.org
> >>>>> http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> CREATE mailing list
> >>>>> CREATE at lists.freedesktop.org
> >>>>> http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> CREATE mailing list
> >>>> CREATE at lists.freedesktop.org
> >>>> http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> CREATE mailing list
> >>> CREATE at lists.freedesktop.org
> >>> http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > CREATE mailing list
> > CREATE at lists.freedesktop.org
> > http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Jon Phillips
> http://rejon.org/
> http://fabricatorz.com/
> http://status.net/
> http://rejon.status.net + skype: kidproto
> +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global)
> +86.187.1003.9974 (china)
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