<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><BR><DIV><DIV>On Sep 28, 2007, at 11:02 AM, Craig Bradney wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Do we have to confuse it all and have one single file to determine all of<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">these things?</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><BR></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Colors</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Patterns</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Gradients</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><BR></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Various formats exist for those, but the idea of the colour format was to<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">define colours..<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></FONT></P> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><DIV>Actually that's a very good question.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Right off hand I think of the complement to that... why does an artist need to store all his things in separate boxes?</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>From early on I've been a proponent of trying to get programs to follow general art usage and term, instead of having artists change their work habits to meet specific implementations of programs.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>What I keep hearing from artists is that they want a "swatch book" format, not just a "flat color" thing. So that's exactly why I raised the question of what is the goal. Do we need to spec a swatch format, or only a color format?</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>One thing I would be very happy with is specifying a color format that will fit inside of a new swatch format. So those who care only about flat colors will be happy, but then those programs that want to share a bit more can do that too.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I think perhaps listing out a few scenarios about how end users may actually interact with things would be good. If we get some of those going, it is likely to lead us to a better grasp on how things should or should not be implemented behind the scenes.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV></BODY></HTML>