I have to agree with Jon here. CREATE FOUNDATION is<br><br>- short (because you can just use "Create". Adobe is actually called Adobe Systems too.)<br>- abstract (as it doesnt solely refer to artists, to programs, to whatever)<br>- easy to remember<br>- in my opinion possible to say with all kinds of language backgrounds (right?)<br> - taken, OK, we would have to swallow that,<br>- sounding pretty nice (though its personal preference)<br><br><br>Create Foundation could be used in connection with designing, coding, even creating music, because after all, what is it that we're all doing? We're creating.<br><br><br>Jake<br><br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Camille Bissuel <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cbissuel@yagraph.org" target="_blank">cbissuel@yagraph.org</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Whoosh, sounds there is a lot of interest in this discussion !<br><br>In my opinion, we shouldn't try to embrace everything neither to be too specific... Think about the projects and people at LGM this year, and try to reflect that : we aren't hostile to musicians, but that's not the domain where we are fluent. On the other side, we aren't only artists nor designers.<br><br>It's aim to be a cross project for "libre" drawings, 3D, webdesign, print, automating tools like Phatch, typography, scripting, etc... it will join different peoples (developers, designers and artists, and also teachers) in a common interest. The name mustn't exclude part of it, neither try to embrace the whole world ...<br> <br>maybe we can think to something more similar to "reclaim your tools" like the "free brush foundation" (Ok, it's stupid, but you get the idea).<br><br>Hard exercise, but let's keep going the brain storming !<br> <br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/5/31 Thorsten Wilms <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:t_w_@freenet.de" target="_blank">t_w_@freenet.de</a>></span><div><div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> <div>On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 14:36 +0200, John Haltiwanger wrote:<br> <br> > Graphics doesn't include type.. And artists includes everyone.. So<br> > where do we find the best fit?<br> <br> </div>I see no reason to exclude type from graphics and for all I know it is<br> not commonly done. In other words: graphics does include type, graphic<br> design does include typography, although a specialist in either might be<br> vary to call himself a specialist in both.<br> <div><br> <br> --<br> Thorsten Wilms<br> <br> thorwil's design for free software:<br> <a href="http://thorwil.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">http://thorwil.wordpress.com/</a><br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> </div><div><div>CREATE mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org" target="_blank">CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org</a><br> <a href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create" target="_blank">http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create</a><br> </div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><br> <br>_______________________________________________<br> CREATE mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org" target="_blank">CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org</a><br> <a href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create" target="_blank">http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create</a><br> <br></blockquote></div><br> <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Jon Phillips <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jon@rejon.org">jon@rejon.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> Create Foundation.<br> <div><div></div><div class="h5"><br> On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Boudewijn Rempt <<a href="mailto:boud@valdyas.org">boud@valdyas.org</a>> wrote:<br> > On Mon, 31 May 2010, John Haltiwanger wrote:<br> ><br> >> I guess I have an overbroad idea of what "design" means then... sorry for<br> >> that. Is the Gimp a design tool? Is Inkscape? If not, then what is an<br> >> example of a design tool?<br> ><br> > Gimp maybe, Inkscape definitely. Nodebox without a doubt. But I wouldn't consider<br> > making concept art, drawing comics, matte painting or making textures design.<br> ><br> >><br> >> Graphics doesn't include type.. And artists includes everyone.. So where do<br> >> we find the best fit?<br> >><br> >> On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Boudewijn Rempt <<a href="mailto:boud@valdyas.org">boud@valdyas.org</a>> wrote:<br> >><br> >> > On Monday 31 May 2010, John Haltiwanger wrote:<br> >> > > "artists" seems to me overbroad. Our tools are very much "design" tools.<br> >> ><br> >> > Erm, no. Apps like Krita and Mypaint are not design tools.<br> >> ><br> >> > > Perhaps it is not the best fit, but it is better than "graphics," (due to<br> >> > > including typesetting/typography) while Libre Artists Foundation sounds<br> >> > to<br> >> > > me more like a foundation to support the artists themselves rather than<br> >> > > also supporting the tools (not saying that the foundation is not meant to<br> >> > > support the community, just that the name should not point to one side<br> >> > > over the other imo).<br> >> > ><br> >> ><br> >> > --<br> >> > Boudewijn Rempt | <a href="http://www.valdyas.org" target="_blank">http://www.valdyas.org</a><br> >> > _______________________________________________<br> >> > CREATE mailing list<br> >> > <a href="mailto:CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org">CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org</a><br> >> > <a href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create" target="_blank">http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create</a><br> >> ><br> >><br> ><br> > _______________________________________________<br> > CREATE mailing list<br> > <a href="mailto:CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org">CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org</a><br> > <a href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create" target="_blank">http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create</a><br> ><br> <br> <br> <br> </div></div><div class="im">--<br> Jon Phillips<br> <a href="http://rejon.org/" target="_blank">http://rejon.org/</a><br> <a href="http://fabricatorz.com/" target="_blank">http://fabricatorz.com/</a><br> <a href="http://status.net/" target="_blank">http://status.net/</a><br> <a href="http://rejon.status.net" target="_blank">http://rejon.status.net</a> + skype: kidproto<br> +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global)<br> +86.134.3957.2035 (china)<br> _______________________________________________<br> </div><div><div></div><div class="h5">CREATE mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org">CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org</a><br> <a href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create" target="_blank">http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create</a><br> </div></div></blockquote></div><br>