2010/6/4 Joao S. O. Bueno <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gwidion@mpc.com.br" target="_blank">gwidion@mpc.com.br</a>></span><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div>On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Dave Crossland <<a href="mailto:dave@lab6.com" target="_blank">dave@lab6.com</a>> wrote:<br> > On 4 June 2010 13:13, Joao S. O. Bueno <<a href="mailto:gwidion@mpc.com.br" target="_blank">gwidion@mpc.com.br</a>> wrote:<br> >> I still think we could settler for both things:<br> >> have a low profile association, that would rely on a larger body for<br> >> dealing with paperwork, donations and refunds. Our association itself<br> >> would be responsible for communication, arranging<br> >> meetings and ways to use the donations money, perhaps to fund<br> >> promising projects for specific purposes from time to time.<br> ><br> > A low profile association, like, the membership list of this mailing list? :-)<br> ><br> <br> </div>No - I'd be for the creation of a formal body in Switzerland like A.L.E.<br> is pushing and having some fort of "director board". :-)<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>A formal organisation means formalities.</div><div><br></div><div>We have to ask ourselves for what reasons would we want to vote.</div> <div><br></div><div>As I already mentionned during the BoF at LGM, I don’t think it’s advisable at this moment and until we reach a certain level of economic activity, to put together a foundation. We are already using the services of the GNOME Foundation and this covers all the needs we have at the moment and probably the ones we’ll have in the short and mid-term.</div> <div><br></div><div>I also mentionned that I am fine with an association but again we need to know why we do it.</div><div><br></div><div>So I guess at this point in the discussion, it would be great to have a wiki page with headers that would help organise the discussion around a couple of axis and help defining our needs. The solution will arise by itself at some point, if we express our needs well. Whether it will be a formal association or an informal one, or another type of organisation, including a foundation.</div> <div><br></div><div>By the way, if we want to make decisions by voting, we don’t need a formal association for this.</div><div><br></div><div>I don’t think it’s bad to be associated with the GNOME Foundation. Quite the contrary. It takes away the load of accounting work, and this can become rapidly a nightmare. Just so you know, without the GNOME Foundation it would have been even harder to get the money back from the Association in Poland for LGM 2008. There was a lot of paperwork involved into that transaction and the fact that we had a Foundation behind us helped a lot to solve the issue. It took time but it was solved in the end.</div> <div><br></div><div>We are already organised. We certainly need to improve that but let’s keep our eyes on the target.</div><div><br></div><div>It’s fine to have a discussion on a charter but I think we need first to define the needs and the goals. The means will become obvious at a certain point.</div> <div><br></div><div>By the way as someone suggested, we now have a wiki page:</div><div><a href="http://create.freedesktop.org/wiki/Libre_Graphics_Association">http://create.freedesktop.org/wiki/Libre_Graphics_Association</a></div> <div><br></div><div>This page needs a bit of love but at least we have a page now !</div> <div><br></div><div>Cheers!</div><div><br></div><div>Louis</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <br> js<br> -><-</blockquote></div>