Sorry, I send it to Ricardo only ... <div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Camille Bissuel <<a href="mailto:cbissuel@yagraph.org">cbissuel@yagraph.org</a>> Date: 2010/8/13 Subject: Re: [CREATE] [LGF-LGA] Ok, let's start with a website To: ricardo lafuente <<a href="mailto:bollecs@sollec.org">bollecs@sollec.org</a>> That's why I've started the discussion with the content before the technique :<div class="im"> content is basically a portal : <ul><li>News (planet for projects and gallery)</li><li>Projects (Presentations for Software and tools, Standards, Events, Teaching certification)</li> <li>Peoples (Developers, Professional Artists, Teachers, Users)</li><li>Resources (Directory for Documentation, How-tos, Tutorials, Glossary, Gallery)</li><li>About (LGA, website)</li></ul></div>But that's right no one commented on it yet. Please do so. Thanks for the support too ;) --yagraph <div class="gmail_quote">2010/8/13 ricardo lafuente <<a href="mailto:bollecs@sollec.org" target="_blank">bollecs@sollec.org</a>><div> <div></div><div class="h5"> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> <div>On 08/13/2010 01:56 PM, Schrijver wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> But I repeat i.m.h.o. it is more important to start with the actual work of what should be *on* the website, </blockquote> </div> +1! Btw, Jon's mention of "painting the bikeshed" is spot-on, imho. The following website <a href="http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/misc.html#BIKESHED-PAINTING" target="_blank">http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/misc.html#BIKESHED-PAINTING</a> is a great and quick write-up on a wonderful metaphor that very often needs to be brought up. Go LG[AF]! :r<div><div></div><div> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> Take care! Eric Op 13 aug 2010, om 14:40 heeft Camille Bissuel het volgende geschreven: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> I completely agree with a.l.e ... We don't want to recreate the wheel, we want to build a motor. It was the whole point of my BoF session at LGM 2010. If you want to listen arguments, please read my presentation : <a href="http://www.yagraph.org/images/LGM/what-about-a-lgf.svg" target="_blank">http://www.yagraph.org/images/LGM/what-about-a-lgf.svg</a> (to look at in Firefox) So... some peoples like me and a.l.e fell the necessity of such a project, and we will do it. And, we have to start somewhere to make this "realidad" happen. A website is a good starting point. @a.l.e : Maybe we can contribute to Anwiki... we don't have a very short deadline. We have to investigate more on Aïki too. Does someone can do the same "nice points" / "less nice points" list for Aïki ? Thanks, -- yagraph 2010/8/13 <a href="mailto:jon@rejon.org" target="_blank">jon@rejon.org</a><<a href="mailto:jon@rejon.org" target="_blank">jon@rejon.org</a>> If it ain't broke, then don't fix it...is my position. I'm going to focus on realidad. Jon On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 3:16 PM, a.l.e<<a href="mailto:ale.comp_06@xox.ch" target="_blank">ale.comp_06@xox.ch</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> hi jon, <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> This whole thread...what's the addage about painting a bikeshed? It underscores my point about distractions from accomplishing a mission. Are we here to make sites or a Foundation, both often covers for trying to raise money to raise money, or are we trying to get creative apps to work together better and build a flourishing creative community? Also, I will point out the irony that all of our communication happens on the create list and wiki. What's the point again? Or rather where is the concrete realidad to this thread? Ok, im going to go back to getting LGM day at Foss.asia lined up, LGM book, and then get sponsors for both... </blockquote> i can only give my point of view: - it's about an association not a foundation - this association should be a tool to promote the free software graphics tools in education, art and graphic industry - this association should take over the promotion coordination work among free software projects in the graphics field - this association should make sure that a LGM happens - this association should make sure that some sort of certification is developed which applies for the free software graphics tools. i have the feeling that CREATE, in its current form, can't manage most of those tasks. btw, i'm more than happy if we can have a foundation, maybe covering a broader field than the graphics software, that we can work with / rely upon. but, in my views, rightt now, we don't have a financial problem to focus on: we have to find out how to get the professional world to use our software. once they are REALLY using our applications, we will have to worry, how to collect some money from them! and, as yuval pointed, the biggest problem with CREATE is its name/url: - i'm not happy with having a sub-domain for it - we can't have <a href="http://create.org" target="_blank">create.org</a> - it's too close to a suite which already leads the largest parts of the market we want to take over. (well, in an ideal world i would love to have the CREATE name... it's a wonderful name. much better than the one used for that suite. and much better than LG, too. but it's not available.) now, what's the point of starting by creating a website? no idea, but i guess that we have to start from somewhere and a website is a bit like a club house: a nice place where you feel welcome. we are discussing about this since a couple of years and it's nice to see the work start! just my 2.5c. ciao a.l.e p.s.: i was not aware that CREATE had activities outside of the graphics field. nice to know! _______________________________________________ CREATE mailing list <a href="mailto:CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org" target="_blank">CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org</a> <a href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create" target="_blank">http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create</a> </blockquote> -- Jon Phillips <a href="http://rejon.org/" target="_blank">http://rejon.org/</a> <a href="http://fabricatorz.com/" target="_blank">http://fabricatorz.com/</a> <a href="http://status.net/" target="_blank">http://status.net/</a> <a href="http://rejon.status.net" target="_blank">http://rejon.status.net</a> + skype: kidproto +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.187.1003.9974 (china) _______________________________________________ CREATE mailing list <a href="mailto:CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org" target="_blank">CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org</a> <a href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create" target="_blank">http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create</a> _______________________________________________ CREATE mailing list <a href="mailto:CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org" target="_blank">CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org</a> <a href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create" target="_blank">http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create</a> </blockquote> _______________________________________________ CREATE mailing list <a href="mailto:CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org" target="_blank">CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org</a> <a href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create" target="_blank">http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create</a> </blockquote> _______________________________________________ CREATE mailing list <a href="mailto:CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org" target="_blank">CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org</a> <a href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create" target="_blank">http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create</a> </div></div></blockquote></div></div></div> </div>