!!! " I do not think that anyone wants to kill anyone project. The whole purpose of the LGA proposition is collaboration between projects. It's not "a ring to rule them all" neither. " I've talked about the project at LGM, and we agreed to lauch the project with all peoples at the BoF including Louis and Cédric ! It's the same peoples and the same objective, no one is "diverting away", please ! How many time should I try to explain ? --yagraph <div class="gmail_quote">2010/8/13 <a href="mailto:jon@rejon.org">jon@rejon.org</a> <<a href="mailto:jon@rejon.org">jon@rejon.org</a>> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Ok, all I see right now is something to divert funding away from LGM. Does anyone want that? Is that right? Jon <div><div></div><div class="h5"> On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 2:05 AM, Camille Bissuel <<a href="mailto:cbissuel@yagraph.org">cbissuel@yagraph.org</a>> wrote: > to Alexandre : > > Why FSF is needed ? > Why Mozilla foundation is needed ? > Can't you see the great benefit of the Blender foundation for Blender ? > Have you an idea of the huge work they do ? > > It's not about code, it's about peoples. > It's not only about market share, it's in a first place to become more > coherent ourselves. > > I'm tired to answer that on this thread. We just need to talk about the > website here. I don't want to justufy the project for each mail I answer... > > See you > -- yagraph > > > > > 2010/8/13 Camille Bissuel <<a href="mailto:cbissuel@yagraph.org">cbissuel@yagraph.org</a>> >> >> Sorry, I send it to Ricardo only ... >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Camille Bissuel <<a href="mailto:cbissuel@yagraph.org">cbissuel@yagraph.org</a>> >> Date: 2010/8/13 >> Subject: Re: [CREATE] [LGF-LGA] Ok, let's start with a website >> To: ricardo lafuente <<a href="mailto:bollecs@sollec.org">bollecs@sollec.org</a>> >> >> >> That's why I've started the discussion with the content before the >> technique : >> >> content is basically a portal : >> >> News (planet for projects and gallery) >> Projects (Presentations for Software and tools, Standards, Events, >> Teaching certification) >> Peoples (Developers, Professional Artists, Teachers, Users) >> Resources (Directory for Documentation, How-tos, Tutorials, Glossary, >> Gallery) >> About (LGA, website) >> >> But that's right no one commented on it yet. Please do so. >> >> Thanks for the support too ;) >> --yagraph >> >> >> 2010/8/13 ricardo lafuente <<a href="mailto:bollecs@sollec.org">bollecs@sollec.org</a>> >>> >>> On 08/13/2010 01:56 PM, Schrijver wrote: >>>> >>>> But I repeat i.m.h.o. it is more important to start with the actual work >>>> of what should be *on* the website, >>> >>> +1! >>> >>> Btw, Jon's mention of "painting the bikeshed" is spot-on, imho. The >>> following website >>> >>> >>> <a href="http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/misc.html#BIKESHED-PAINTING" target="_blank">http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/misc.html#BIKESHED-PAINTING</a> >>> >>> is a great and quick write-up on a wonderful metaphor that very often >>> needs to be brought up. >>> >>> Go LG[AF]! >>> :r >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Take care! >>>> >>>> Eric >>>> >>>> >>>> Op 13 aug 2010, om 14:40 heeft Camille Bissuel het volgende geschreven: >>>> >>>>> I completely agree with a.l.e ... >>>>> We don't want to recreate the wheel, we want to build a motor. >>>>> It was the whole point of my BoF session at LGM 2010. If you want to >>>>> listen arguments, please read my presentation : >>>>> <a href="http://www.yagraph.org/images/LGM/what-about-a-lgf.svg" target="_blank">http://www.yagraph.org/images/LGM/what-about-a-lgf.svg</a> (to look at in >>>>> Firefox) >>>>> >>>>> So... some peoples like me and a.l.e fell the necessity of such a >>>>> project, and we will do it. >>>>> >>>>> And, we have to start somewhere to make this "realidad" happen. A >>>>> website is a good starting point. >>>>> >>>>> @a.l.e : Maybe we can contribute to Anwiki... we don't have a very >>>>> short deadline. >>>>> We have to investigate more on Aïki too. Does someone can do the same >>>>> "nice points" / "less nice points" list for Aïki ? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> -- yagraph >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2010/8/13 <a href="mailto:jon@rejon.org">jon@rejon.org</a><<a href="mailto:jon@rejon.org">jon@rejon.org</a>> >>>>> If it ain't broke, then don't fix it...is my position. I'm going to >>>>> focus on realidad. >>>>> >>>>> Jon >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 3:16 PM, a.l.e<<a href="mailto:ale.comp_06@xox.ch">ale.comp_06@xox.ch</a>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> hi jon, >>>>>> >>>>>>> This whole thread...what's the addage about painting a bikeshed? It >>>>>>> underscores my point about distractions from accomplishing a mission. >>>>>>> Are we here to make sites or a Foundation, both often covers for >>>>>>> trying to raise money to raise money, or are we trying to get >>>>>>> creative apps to work together better and build a flourishing >>>>>>> creative community? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also, I will point out the irony that all of our communication >>>>>>> happens on the create list and wiki. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What's the point again? Or rather where is the concrete realidad to >>>>>>> this thread? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ok, im going to go back to getting LGM day at Foss.asia lined up, LGM >>>>>>> book, and then get sponsors for both... >>>>>> >>>>>> i can only give my point of view: >>>>>> >>>>>> - it's about an association not a foundation >>>>>> >>>>>> - this association should be a tool to promote the free software >>>>>> graphics tools in education, art and graphic industry >>>>>> >>>>>> - this association should take over the promotion coordination work >>>>>> among free software projects in the graphics field >>>>>> >>>>>> - this association should make sure that a LGM happens >>>>>> >>>>>> - this association should make sure that some sort of certification is >>>>>> developed which applies for the free software graphics tools. >>>>>> >>>>>> i have the feeling that CREATE, in its current form, can't manage most >>>>>> of those tasks. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> btw, i'm more than happy if we can have a foundation, maybe covering a >>>>>> broader field than the graphics software, that we can work with / rely >>>>>> upon. >>>>>> but, in my views, rightt now, we don't have a financial problem to >>>>>> focus >>>>>> on: we have to find out how to get the professional world to use our >>>>>> software. once they are REALLY using our applications, we will have to >>>>>> worry, how to collect some money from them! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> and, as yuval pointed, the biggest problem with CREATE is its >>>>>> name/url: >>>>>> >>>>>> - i'm not happy with having a sub-domain for it >>>>>> >>>>>> - we can't have <a href="http://create.org" target="_blank">create.org</a> >>>>>> >>>>>> - it's too close to a suite which already leads the largest parts of >>>>>> the market we want to take over. >>>>>> >>>>>> (well, in an ideal world i would love to have the CREATE name... it's >>>>>> a wonderful name. much better than the one used for that suite. and >>>>>> much >>>>>> better than LG, too. but it's not available.) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> now, what's the point of starting by creating a website? no idea, but >>>>>> i >>>>>> guess that we have to start from somewhere and a website is a bit like >>>>>> a club house: a nice place where you feel welcome. >>>>>> we are discussing about this since a couple of years and it's nice to >>>>>> see the work start! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> just my 2.5c. >>>>>> >>>>>> ciao >>>>>> >>>>>> a.l.e >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> p.s.: i was not aware that CREATE had activities outside of the >>>>>> graphics field. nice to know! >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> CREATE mailing list >>>>>> <a href="mailto:CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org">CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org</a> >>>>>> <a href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create" target="_blank">http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create</a> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Jon Phillips >>>>> <a href="http://rejon.org/" target="_blank">http://rejon.org/</a> >>>>> <a href="http://fabricatorz.com/" target="_blank">http://fabricatorz.com/</a> >>>>> <a href="http://status.net/" target="_blank">http://status.net/</a> >>>>> <a href="http://rejon.status.net" target="_blank">http://rejon.status.net</a> + skype: kidproto >>>>> +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) >>>>> +86.187.1003.9974 (china) >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> CREATE mailing list >>>>> <a href="mailto:CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org">CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org</a> >>>>> <a href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create" target="_blank">http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create</a> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> CREATE mailing list >>>>> <a href="mailto:CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org">CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org</a> >>>>> <a href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create" target="_blank">http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create</a> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> CREATE mailing list >>>> <a href="mailto:CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org">CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org</a> >>>> <a href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create" target="_blank">http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create</a> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> CREATE mailing list >>> <a href="mailto:CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org">CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org</a> >>> <a href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create" target="_blank">http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create</a> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > CREATE mailing list > <a href="mailto:CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org">CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org</a> > <a href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create" target="_blank">http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create</a> > > -- Jon Phillips <a href="http://rejon.org/" target="_blank">http://rejon.org/</a> <a href="http://fabricatorz.com/" target="_blank">http://fabricatorz.com/</a> <a href="http://status.net/" target="_blank">http://status.net/</a> <a href="http://rejon.status.net" target="_blank">http://rejon.status.net</a> + skype: kidproto +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.187.1003.9974 (china) </div></div></blockquote></div>