I completely agree with a.l.e ... We don't want to recreate the wheel, we want to build a motor. It was the whole point of my BoF session at LGM 2010. If you want to listen arguments, please read my presentation : <a href="http://www.yagraph.org/images/LGM/what-about-a-lgf.svg">http://www.yagraph.org/images/LGM/what-about-a-lgf.svg</a> (to look at in Firefox) So... some peoples like me and a.l.e fell the necessity of such a project, and we will do it. And, we have to start somewhere to make this "realidad" happen. A website is a good starting point. @a.l.e : Maybe we can contribute to Anwiki... we don't have a very short deadline. We have to investigate more on Aïki too. Does someone can do the same "nice points" / "less nice points" list for Aïki ? Thanks, -- yagraph <div class="gmail_quote">2010/8/13 <a href="mailto:jon@rejon.org">jon@rejon.org</a> <<a href="mailto:jon@rejon.org">jon@rejon.org</a>> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> If it ain't broke, then don't fix it...is my position. I'm going to focus on realidad. Jon <div><div></div><div class="h5"> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 3:16 PM, a.l.e <<a href="mailto:ale.comp_06@xox.ch">ale.comp_06@xox.ch</a>> wrote: > hi jon, > >> This whole thread...what's the addage about painting a bikeshed? It >> underscores my point about distractions from accomplishing a mission. >> Are we here to make sites or a Foundation, both often covers for >> trying to raise money to raise money, or are we trying to get >> creative apps to work together better and build a flourishing >> creative community? >> >> Also, I will point out the irony that all of our communication >> happens on the create list and wiki. >> >> What's the point again? Or rather where is the concrete realidad to >> this thread? >> >> Ok, im going to go back to getting LGM day at Foss.asia lined up, LGM >> book, and then get sponsors for both... > > i can only give my point of view: > > - it's about an association not a foundation > > - this association should be a tool to promote the free software > graphics tools in education, art and graphic industry > > - this association should take over the promotion coordination work > among free software projects in the graphics field > > - this association should make sure that a LGM happens > > - this association should make sure that some sort of certification is > developed which applies for the free software graphics tools. > > i have the feeling that CREATE, in its current form, can't manage most > of those tasks. > > > btw, i'm more than happy if we can have a foundation, maybe covering a > broader field than the graphics software, that we can work with / rely > upon. > but, in my views, rightt now, we don't have a financial problem to focus > on: we have to find out how to get the professional world to use our > software. once they are REALLY using our applications, we will have to > worry, how to collect some money from them! > > > and, as yuval pointed, the biggest problem with CREATE is its name/url: > > - i'm not happy with having a sub-domain for it > > - we can't have <a href="http://create.org" target="_blank">create.org</a> > > - it's too close to a suite which already leads the largest parts of > the market we want to take over. > > (well, in an ideal world i would love to have the CREATE name... it's > a wonderful name. much better than the one used for that suite. and much > better than LG, too. but it's not available.) > > > now, what's the point of starting by creating a website? no idea, but i > guess that we have to start from somewhere and a website is a bit like > a club house: a nice place where you feel welcome. > we are discussing about this since a couple of years and it's nice to > see the work start! > > > just my 2.5c. > > ciao > > a.l.e > > > > > p.s.: i was not aware that CREATE had activities outside of the > graphics field. nice to know! > _______________________________________________ > CREATE mailing list > <a href="mailto:CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org">CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org</a> > <a href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create" target="_blank">http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create</a> > </div></div>-- <div class="im">Jon Phillips <a href="http://rejon.org/" target="_blank">http://rejon.org/</a> <a href="http://fabricatorz.com/" target="_blank">http://fabricatorz.com/</a> <a href="http://status.net/" target="_blank">http://status.net/</a> <a href="http://rejon.status.net" target="_blank">http://rejon.status.net</a> + skype: kidproto +1.415.830.3884 (sf/global) +86.187.1003.9974 (china) _______________________________________________ </div><div><div></div><div class="h5">CREATE mailing list <a href="mailto:CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org">CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org</a> <a href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create" target="_blank">http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create</a> </div></div></blockquote></div>