I'd just like to point out that we're not looking at a zero sum game in this situation. The resources employed for the two publications may well be quite different. Off the top of my head, the best example of this is in our contributor base: while we welcome contributions from all the usual LG suspects, we also want to reach outside the community to those who don't normally speak up on list or even know such a community exists. There are loads of practicing designers and artists out there using Libre Graphics software, standards and methods, but we haven't been harnessing them effectively. I, for one, have a list of people I've met in the last few years who are professional users but not otherwise engaged in the community. We'll be trying, in a big way, to bring in people like that. So I don't think it's a big strain on our communal resources for you to do a sprint publication on location in September and for us to come out with something in November. Short term publications are a good thing, because they give you the opportunity (as you've so often mentioned) to show off the tools and what they can do in public, to a wider audience than normally gets to see the production process. That's great. For our part, we're focusing on regularity, consistency, marketability and expansion. That means having things like having an editorial structure, an advisory board, some predictable distribution channels, reasonably consistent funding and even an ISSN. So it strikes me that we're talking about two very different types of publication. Heck, I don't even see the problem with using the same name. In library science, there's a tried and true solution to that problem: if two periodicals have the same name, they're differentiated in catalogues by their publishing cities. So if it ever does come down to a case of differing culture and lack of agreement (instead of calling editions created at events special issues outside of the normal style and numbering conventions), it's no problem for yours to be Libre Graphics Magazine (Zurich) and for ours to be something else. But of course, the terms "yours" and "ours" are unnecessarily divisive. Essentially, I think there's definitely room, if there needs to be, for two publications and that nothing we're planning should stop you from carrying out your plan. -- ginger "all-lower-case" coons <a href="http://adaptstudio.ca">adaptstudio.ca</a> 647.865.7757 (Toronto) 514.213.1318 (Montreal) <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 8:18 AM, a.l.e <<a href="mailto:ale.comp_06@xox.ch">ale.comp_06@xox.ch</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> <div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> hi ana,<div class="im"> <blockquote type="cite"> as said in ginger's mail we're working on a plan for a long term magazine. A plan that allow us to produce a more coherent and solid output. One that can be sustained on a regular publication schedule. This doesn't mean that we're reclaiming the right to be the only ones to edit a magazine. We're proposing for the LG Magazine specifically but there's plenty of space for other publications dedicated to libre graphics. I don't see why not to make the froscamp mag with the resources you have - the people you've already contacted. I just wonder why to insist on naming it LGMag if we already stated the need to make the LGMag something more than the product of three day sprint. </blockquote> </div> i planned to make the LGMag release a follow up of the LGMag#0 which has been published at the LGM 2010. (i hope that my memory is not playing dirty tricks... but i seem to recall that it was mostly my idea to produce a LGMag#0 at the LGM 2010... and i've been discussing about a LGMag for more than a year with several people. no, i don't reclaim any exclusive or priority right on the LGMag: but since misunderstanginds seem to happen quite often on this list, i prefer to say it openly and explain why -- after the LGMag had been produced by ana, ginger and ricardo -- i come out with the idea of producing a LGMag with a different crew!). it would have been a similar type of magazine, done in a similar way (well, a bit more organized and with more time for collecting the content but also a short sprint at the end to layout it), with the same name. using as optimally as possible the few resources we currently have at hand. this was a long term plan. and this would have probably looked quite differently than what you are proposing. i can't do it all alone and i don't think that the LG community currently has the resources to launch two such projects in parallel. so: no, there won't be any LGMag at the next froscamp. once your project will have produced its first fruits, and if i have the feeling that there is still a need for what i am proposing, i may come back and try to launch it again. ciao a.l.e </div> _______________________________________________ CREATE mailing list <a href="mailto:CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org">CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org</a> <a href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create" target="_blank">http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create</a> </blockquote></div>