<div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> Like this countercurrent about the involvement of women at LGM, I think you will find that people at LGM will let you and others be what you want to be. </blockquote></div>I've certainly found that, but I think it does raise an important point. Many people might find themselves falling at the first gate. Instead of, for example, walking away, thinking about it and coming back, many people confronted by the feeling of outsiderness might find themselves deterred for good. Not to say that we need to become hyper-inclusive at the expense of our real purpose, but it is a consideration which is, I think, at the crux of this whole gender discussion. -- ginger "all-lower-case" coons <a href="http://adaptstudio.ca" target="_blank">adaptstudio.ca</a> 647.865.7757 (Toronto) 514.213.1318 (Montreal)