<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Hi,<br><br></div>Louis that is correct.<br><br></div><div>br gnokii<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014/1/21 Louis Desjardins <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:louis.desjardins@gmail.com" target="_blank">louis.desjardins@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">2014/1/20 S.Kemter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sirko.kemter@gmail.com" target="_blank">sirko.kemter@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
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<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Hi,<br><br></div>Nope it hasnt, some here on the list wanted to discuss an CoC furthermore, some even wanted to take a vote on it. I feel since days ignored because the discussion went on. The only one who can have a problem with it, is from my point of view is Louis, because he has to take it to PSF an look if they can agree to that solution.<br>
</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Hi Sirko,<div><br></div><div>I would like to follow up on your suggestion about the CoC and its variant being the measures already in place at the university of Leipzig.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I believe we can expose the situation clearly to the PSF board and let them know about the situation.</div><div><br></div><div>I apologize for the misundersanting. I missed your point at first but now, reading this over and with this email, I understand and fully agree. So, correct me if I am wrong, what I understand is we could plead the fact that for this year’s LGM we’re going to go by the rules of the university of Leipzig, which is our host. So, we’ll ask<span style="border-collapse:collapse;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> PSF if being at a German university, with its </span><span style="border-collapse:collapse;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">strong social equity laws, and the constant in-person presence of the </span><span style="border-collapse:collapse;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">University's "Gleichstellungsbeauftragten" staff, will meet their </span><span style="border-collapse:collapse;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">requirements for a CoC in order to get their funding.</span></div>
<div><span style="border-collapse:collapse;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse:collapse">I am completely comfortable with that and I think it is a fair solution. Especially considering the fact that the CoC we would vote and even if we picked one that already exists is too short on deadline for it to be reviewed by the administrators at the University, also considering that for them there would be no point since they already have strong rules and we must — as LGM organizers — comply with the rules of our host.</span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse:collapse"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse:collapse">On top of that, we can explain PSF people that the LGM community is going to gather at the LGM to discuss that subject and reach a decision for the years to come. Basically, from the stand point of PSF, we have 2014 covered and we’re preparing 2015 and further.</span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse:collapse"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse:collapse">I put reasonable faith in the process and its positive outcome. I trust that people at PSF will lend us a comprehensive ear. Of course, the decision is theirs.</span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse:collapse"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse:collapse">I hope I got things right and if anything don’t hesitate to correct me!</span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse:collapse"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse:collapse">Cheers!</span></font></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse:collapse"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse:collapse">Louis</span></font></div>
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<br></div>Of course after I spoke with him and we find a way he will get his own page on <a href="http://lgm.org" target="_blank">lgm.org</a> but before I speak with him, I think Louis should look that PSF agrees for that I waited.<br>
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<br></div>br gnokii<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014/1/21 Dave Crossland <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dave@lab6.com" target="_blank">dave@lab6.com</a>></span><br>
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Dear Sirko,<br>
<div><br>
On 20 January 2014 23:46, Dave Crossland <<a href="mailto:dave@lab6.com" target="_blank">dave@lab6.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> On 20 January 2014 15:11, Louis Desjardins <<a href="mailto:louis.desjardins@gmail.com" target="_blank">louis.desjardins@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Would it be ok if we make the decision with the co-organisers of this year’s<br>
>> LGM plus the people here who followed the discussion (in silent or not)?<br>
><br>
> But clearly its the co-organizers' prerogative to figure out who<br>
> incidents should be escalated to, or not, to put a CoC on the website,<br>
> or not, and if they provide physical items to attendees<br>
> (schedules/name badges/promo bags/etc) to include a copy, or not.<br>
><br>
> If the bureaucracy of the host means its not possible for the<br>
> co-organizers, that's okay for me, and next year I hope there will be<br>
> one.<br>
<br>
</div>I just realised that its been around a week since your email, and you<br>
didn't yet follow up with some news on what you wrote:<br>
<br>
On 15 January 2014 17:04, S.Kemter <<a href="mailto:sirko.kemter@gmail.com" target="_blank">sirko.kemter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> we will not have an ok [on a CoC text] before LGM.<br>
<br>
I think its worth re-iterating this point; there will not be a CoC at<br>
this LGM, not because the organizers don't want one, but because<br>
putting one in place would require more time than is available.<br>
<div><br>
> What we could do is simple to invite the "Gleichstellungsbeauftragten" I<br>
> dont know how to translate that titel and if Equality Ombudsman is right for<br>
> it to watch over us and we can surly ask him to help us for formulating an<br>
> CoC for later events. I think nobody of us would be that firm as someone,<br>
> who does nothing else then handle exactly what some here think an CoC would<br>
> solve.<br>
<br>
</div>Sirko, how has the invitation to the Gleichstellungsbeauftragten fared?<br>
<br>
If they agree to attend, will their presence and how to reach them be<br>
mentioned on the website, and will attendees be notified at the event?<br>
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--<br>
Cheers<br>
Dave<br>
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