<p dir="ltr">Hi</p>
<p dir="ltr">Definitely sad news, yet unsurprising. Without a CoC then what to do is for me uncertain, as you say.</p>
<p dir="ltr">The coc meeting you describe is as I would expect though - I thought it was to be a prelude to a CoC for 2015+, not to parachute one in to an event in progress, despite the need for that on the ground. </p>
<p dir="ltr">Are there notes from the meeting?</p>
<p dir="ltr">Cheers<br>
Dave</p>
<div class="gmail_quot<blockquote class=" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I think that many people by now have heard that there has been<div>prolonged harassment in the LGM community which</div>
<div>continued into the LGM 2014 conference at Leipzig.<div>This harassment reached a peak with physical assault in an elevator,</div>
<div>and there is a witness to the assault.</div><div><br></div><div>The University of Leipzig and the LGM sponsors have not been notified </div><div>that there was harassment and assault during the conference.</div><div>
<br></div><div>The code of conduct which was suggested as an interim code was not referenced at the meeting. </div><div>It wasn't posted to the community at the meeting, there was no contact information provided at the meeting, </div>
<div>the community wasn't informed of any procedures to take in case of incident, the community wasn't informed</div><div>of the procedures which would be followed when an incident is reported.</div><div>Everything was handled on the fly which resulted in the situation being handled slowly and with uncertainty as to what to do.</div>
<div>One ad-hoc meeting was held between LGM leadership, the harasser, me, Steve, and the target. </div><div>The results of this meeting have not been communicated to the community,</div><div>nor has a clear statement been given to the harasser that these behaviors are not tolerable in our community.</div>
<div><br></div><div>After the meeting, the harasser tried to intimidate me when he saw me in an area with few people.</div><div>This harasser, who up to now has been my good friend, is a serial bully who clearly needs help.</div>
<div>He has been removed from the OpenSuse community for serially bulling,</div><div>and has been seriously warned about bullying in the OpenClipArt community.</div><div><br></div><div>A Code of Conduct is meant to provide 3 things - statement, definitions, processes - which are needed for practical reasons.</div>
<div>CoC's must be practical above all else.</div><div>Without these 3 elements a chaotic mess results when trouble happens.</div><div><br></div><div>We have a clear irrefutable example of this in our own community.</div>
<div><br></div><div>- Susan</div><div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Jon Nordby <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jononor@gmail.com" target="_blank">jononor@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>On 21 January 2014 13:25, Tobias Ellinghaus <<a href="mailto:houz@gmx.de" target="_blank">houz@gmx.de</a>> wrote:<br>
> But whatever<br>
> the reason is, not everyone is comfortable with the American (?) way to put<br>
> everything into harmless words. So it is similar to the hugging example: may I<br>
> not tell someone that he is an idiot if that is the case? Not necessarily in a<br>
> derogative way, but just in a discussion. Does the idea that someone expresses<br>
> his disagreement like that make you feel uncomfortable? Well, not being able<br>
> to express me the way I am used to makes ME feel uncomfortable.<br>
<br>
</div>If something someone says in a discussion does not make sense, that is<br>
what you say: X is wrong because Y.<br>
The same goes if the person does something wrong, say which action you<br>
believed was wrong, and why.<br>
Don't call the person an idiot. It might work out most of the time*,<br>
but expecting others to have a hard skin and<br>
deflect the comment about their person, and to correctly deduce what<br>
you *really* meant by it is not a good approach to communication.<br>
It increases the risk of hurting people and/or to derail the<br>
conversation. Keep criticism on actions and arguments.<br>
<br>
*at least for the person who calls another an idiot...<br>
<div><br>
> So where to draw the line? As I wrote at the first day of this discussion I<br>
> also prefer the "treat others the way you think it is ok, and if it turns out<br>
> that the other person doesn't feel the same then try to adapt and find some<br>
> common ground for social interaction." approach. That is what being a social<br>
> being is about: being able to copy with different social backgrounds, adapting<br>
> and reacting to the situation at hand. And in the worst case avoid that person<br>
> if interaction is not possible.<br>
</div>The people you interact with decide where they draw the line. Until<br>
you know what the limits are, presuming that your own definition is<br>
suitable is risky business.<br>
<br>
My 2 øre.<br>
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Jon Nordby - <a href="http://www.jonnor.com" target="_blank">www.jonnor.com</a><br>
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