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On 05/26/2014 09:19 AM, Louis Desjardins wrote:
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<div class="gmail_extra">2014-05-26 8:46 GMT-04:00 Simon Budig <span
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<div class="">Femke Snelting (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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> Thank you again for your helpful comments, on- and
off list.<br>
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> - I agree that the reference to examples was
awkwardly phrased and simple is better:<br>
> "Some examples: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_incidents"
target="_blank">http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_incidents</a>"<br>
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While I do believe that it is useful to have something in
the CoC that<br>
counters the "doesn't happen in our circles" attitude I
really wonder if<br>
it is wise to reference something that is "out of our
control". We would me<br>
more flexible about what to reference when we'd point to a
URL under the<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://libregraphicsmeeting.org" target="_blank">libregraphicsmeeting.org</a>
domain, where we can have a collection of<br>
ressources that even can be expanded/changed if new good
ressources pop<br>
up or other ressources go bad.<br>
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Count me as another +1 on that suggestion. I agree fully that having
control over the page we're linking to is important. I'd even
suggest that we could come up with a pretty thorough resource,
documenting both things like the Geek Feminism Timeline of Incidents
(which is one important type of resource), as well as documents of
the kind suggested by Louis (which are regulatory, rather than
descriptive). I do think, though, that it's important to include any
public lists of incidents we can find, and attempt to expand our
list beyond the currently-included one from Geek Feminism. <br>
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However, in addition to trying to find resources which discuss types
of harassment beyond the gendered type described on the Geek
Feminism Wiki, I do think it's important to note why that example
exists, and why others may be more difficult to find. F/LOSS
communities, at the moment, are fairly homogeneous. It's only in
recent years that even a significant number of women have become
involved. As F/LOSS in general, and the Libre Graphics community in
particular become more and more diverse, I suspect that, rather than
having perfect inclusion, we will see more incidents which involve
people who are different in ways other than just their gender. But,
up to this point, much of the documented harassment at F/LOSS events
has been gender-based, which means that that's what a
disproportionate amount of the current documentation covers. <br>
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Rather than feel bothered that one group is getting an excess of
accommodation, I'd suggest that we all expand our net a little, look
around to see if we can find documentation covering other types of
harassment that have existed and been addressed in codes of conduct,
and include those as well on a sort of omnibus page. <br>
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-ginger<br>
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Bye,<br>
Simon<br>
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