<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 TRANSITIONAL//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; CHARSET=UTF-8"> <META NAME="GENERATOR" CONTENT="GtkHTML/4.6.6"> </HEAD> <BODY> On Mon, 2013-12-30 at 07:00 +0000, Alp Toker wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <PRE> The vendor politics is a matter for you and Ted -- as a discussion it's going nowhere fast, can you carry that off-list? </PRE> </BLOCKQUOTE> I don't see it that way. I see this as a question of whether the DBus community wants DBus to become a part of systemd (for all practical purposes it would be). While that has vendor implications as different vendors ship different parts of systemd, I don't think it's fundamentally a vendor issue. If I'm the only one that is interested in DBus being independent, I'm happy to shut up. What I see currently is no one discussing it (though it is a typical time that many people have holidays, so they may be not checking e-mail, which is a perfectly valid thing to do). Ted </BODY> </HTML>