[ghns] Re : about SoC proposal at Blender Foundation on GHNS + questions
Frank Karlitschek
karlitschek at kde.org
Tue Apr 8 04:11:07 PDT 2008
Hi Jonathan,
sorry for not answering you earlier.
I´m running KDE-Look.org and other sister sites with GHNS feeds for
KDE, OpenOffice.org and other projekts. We´re providing a GHNS1 and a
REST interface at the moment. You can check api.opendesktop.org for
more information.
If you want to focus on the client side implementation I can setup a
community website and a GHNS interface for blender or other projects
in a few days.
Do you think this is useful for you?
Cheers
Frank
On 08.04.2008, at 03:14, Jonathan-David SCHRODER wrote:
> Hi Jeremy
> thanks for your feedback on IRC and through that e-mail you sent.
> Indeed I have submitted my proposal now and can't alter it for now.
> Thanks for your answers.
> I've "met" on #blendercoders a blender developper interested in my
> proposal (he had access to the SoC admin side for the blender
> foundation) because he worked using mysql for blender files data
> blocks.
> He wants to talk more about the proposal with me in a few days.
>
> By then... I could have tried to use khotnewstuff, and maybe some
> shell scripts I've seen on the repos to know that I can make the
> GHNS system work somehow and start discovering more about it.
>
> I'll come towards you when I need feedback about how ghns works for
> one aspect or another.
>
> Thanks for your attention,
> sincerely
> jonathan
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 3:03 AM, Jeremy Whiting <jeremy at scitools.com>
> wrote:
> Good Questions, I'll answer inline.
>
> On Monday 07 April 2008 10:47:51 am Jonathan-David SCHRODER wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > thanks very much for your detailed reply,
> > I'll adapt my Blender FOundation proposal with your input
> > and then maybe a KDE proposal later tonight.
> >
> > I've looked at this diagram :
> > http://svn.kstuff.org/browser/trunk/kstuff/ghns/architecture-future.png
> > I would like to have one more info as to DXS.
> > I've noted that DXS is http only which seems ok for me.
> > looking at
> > http://svn.kstuff.org/browser/trunk/kstuff/ghns/architecture-future.pngmake
> >s understanding the desktop
> > software / server software break
> > down<http://ghns.freedesktop.org/software.php>(with 3 packages)
> > clearer.
> >
> > do you know if
> > http://svn.kstuff.org/browser/trunk/kstuff/ghns/architecture-future.png
> is
> > implemented yet ?
>
> Not quite, the server side administration web interface is not
> implemented yet
> I believe.
>
> > is the communication language between client and DXS frontend
> still SOAP
> > and is REST going to replace that, or will both coexist ?
> > Is REST implementation just an idea, or a real intent ?
>
> REST is possible, SOAP is the first implementation that is done,
> REST can be
> considered as an alternative at this point but still needs to be
> implemented.
>
> >
> > do you know if any of the current implementations of ghns clients
> listed on
> > http://ghns.freedesktop.org/software.php (first section) now talk
> to the
> > DXS frontend directly ? Or do they all still have the current
> > architecture<http://svn.kstuff.org/browser/trunk/kstuff/ghns/architecture-c
> >urrent.png>(that's to say clients talk to web app to browse
> through, and to
> > another
> > specific server fetch and upload contents) ?
>
> KNewStuff2 talks to the DXS interface directly, still could use some
> testing,
> as only a couple DXS server's have been set up.
>
> >
> > I did not take the time to have an in depth look at client local
> > database... Do you know if some software client app has implemented
> > something (xml or sql dbs) to list reading from the client hard
> drive
> > what's been downloaded where and the version info of those
> contents ?
>
> KHotNewStuff2 library implements what it calls a registry in xml
> files in the
> user's data folder $KDEHOME/share/apps/knewstuff2-entries.registry/
> it just copies the xml from the provider for the installed entries.
> Same
> could be easily done with sqlite or any other db easily.
>
> > your answers would help me a great deal for the proposal I'll post
> for the
> > Blender Foundation tonight.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Jonathan
>
> Sorry, my answers were probably too late to help with your proposal,
> but
> again, we are willing to help and show how knewstuff2 works if you
> need.
>
> Jeremy (jpwhiting)
>
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Josef Spillner <spillner at kde.org>
> wrote:
> > > Salut,
> > >
> > > Am Sonntag 06 April 2008 19:13:19 schrieb Jonathan-David SCHRODER:
> > > > Hi,
> > > > I made a SoC 2008 proposal at the Blender Foundation to be
> able to
> > > > fetch about anything from withing a running Blender app.
> > > > About anything meaning : models, materials, new blender binary
> updates,
> > > > scripts, nodes...
> > > > The proposal in its current state is here (a publish google
> docs with
> > >
> > > which
> > >
> > > > I will update my google SoC some time before the deadline) :
> > > > http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dcsrtj3t_92g33hrcgx<
> > >
> > > http://docs.google.com/Do
> > >
> > > >c?docid=dcsrtj3t_92g33hrcgx&hl=en>
> > >
> > > This looks like a very cool idea. Some months back somebody
> approached us
> > > for
> > > a GHNS implementation for OpenClipart in OOo and other
> applications, and
> > > I think it's really important to have good application support
> for GHNS
> > > beyond
> > > the desktop-integrated stuff.
> > >
> > > > The proposal will see changes today or tomorrow as far as
> phrasing is
> > > > concerned (someone looked it over and told me what did not sound
> > > > very english or was difficult to understand).
> > >
> > > It's not hard to understand. I've seen proposals from native
> English
> > > speakers
> > > which were really hard to understand compared to yours.
> > >
> > > > In that application, I propose amongst other things, to
> integrate a
> > > > GHNS client into Blender, and to develop a template PHP code
> Blender
> > > > content repositories implementing the GHS server call API (a
> > > > data.kstuff.org-adapted back-end+front-end version for Blender
> data,
> > >
> > > whose
> > >
> > > > frontend people could customize).
> > >
> > > Currently data.kstuff.org runs the Cocodrilo web frontend which is
> > > already customisable. And it can be embedded into other web pages,
> > > optionally. As you
> > > can see data.kde.org comes in the design of kde.org, because it
> uses the
> > > KDE
> > > WWW framework:
> > > http://svn.kstuff.org/browser/trunk/data.kde.org
> > > But the individual repository contents are rendered through
> Cocodrilo:
> > > http://ghns.berlios.de/cocodrilo/
> > > (sorry, outdated version, but there's a SVN somewhere)
> > >
> > > > A part of the GHNS client would have to be coded in Python
> (although
> > > > all the GHNS scripts are in Perl), because Python is simply what
> > > > Blender is extended with.
> > >
> > > GGZ-Python already has an old and somewhat outdated, but still
> working
> > > version
> > > of a GHNS downloader. You could take this as a start. This is
> independent
> > > of
> > > what language the server-side Hotstuff scripts are written in,
> although
> > > in all honesty I wouldn't choose Perl again if I had the time to
> rewrite
> > > them :-)
> > >
> > > > Could you let me know your thoughts of my proposal ?
> > > > What I propose for Blender, could actually be generalized for
> > >
> > > Inkscape...
> > >
> > > > Does the GHNS project mentor anything for the 2008 SoC ?
> > >
> > > GHNS is a fraction of freedesktop.org, and even the mighty
> > > freedesktop.org doesn't menter. Instead, the desktop projects
> (KDE and
> > > GNOME) have agreed to
> > > accept a few students for freedesktop.org. I can imagine that
> the Blender
> > > foundation would do just the same.
> > >
> > > Note that I'm currently not very familiar with Blender. I've
> used it a
> > > lot between 2000 and 2002, but not at all since then because
> I've moved
> > > out of 3D
> > > games on Linux into gaming infrastructures and networking.
> > >
> > > > Apparently, there are more than 20 proposals at the Blender
> foundation
> > >
> > > and
> > >
> > > > I am not sure if mine would be retained....
> > >
> > > Well I think it's a good proposal. And I could volunteer as a
> mentor, but
> > > it's
> > > up to them if they accept me. Even if they do, it'd be better
> for you to
> > > find
> > > advocates within the Blender project, right now.
> > >
> > > > I'd be OK to work on a SoC for the KDE group or other
> organisation, and
> > > > work to integrate GHNS into more pieces of software such as
> Inkscape,
> > >
> > > Gimp,
> > >
> > > > Scribus... so I would be so grateful if you knew where I could
> apply as
> > > > well elsewhere than for the Blender Foundation to have more
> chances to
> > >
> > > work
> > >
> > > > a Summer of Code this year... .
> > >
> > > The chances in KDE would be very slim, there are already ~250
> proposals
> > > and
> > > only those from which the project really benefits will be
> chosen. Nothing
> > > prevents you from submitting an application to KDE, too, but I can
> > > already see the comments - why Blender if there's Krita filters
> and KWord
> > > templates
> > > and ...
> > > Therefore I think you should focus on the Blender foundation.
> > >
> > > > I think that I should complement my proposal with links to
> graphics.
> > >
> > > Would
> > >
> > > > you have any diagrams describing the way GHNS works that I
> could use
> > > > and adapt for my Blender proposal ?
> > >
> > > You can find some in:
> > > http://svn.kstuff.org/browser/trunk/kstuff/ghns
> > >
> > > Embarassingly there are not more.
> > >
> > > > I know that I'm posting this lately.
> > >
> > > Pas de problème pour moi :)
> > >
> > > Josef
> >
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> >
> >
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