Hi Jeremy thanks for your feedback on IRC and through that e-mail you sent. Indeed I have submitted my proposal now and can't alter it for now. Thanks for your answers. I've "met" on #blendercoders a blender developper interested in my proposal (he had access to the SoC admin side for the blender foundation) because he worked using mysql for blender files data blocks. He wants to talk more about the proposal with me in a few days. By then... I could have tried to use khotnewstuff, and maybe some shell scripts I've seen on the repos to know that I can make the GHNS system work somehow and start discovering more about it. I'll come towards you when I need feedback about how ghns works for one aspect or another. Thanks for your attention, sincerely jonathan <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 3:03 AM, Jeremy Whiting <<a href="mailto:jeremy@scitools.com">jeremy@scitools.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Good Questions,  I'll answer inline. <div class="Ih2E3d"> On Monday 07 April 2008 10:47:51 am Jonathan-David SCHRODER wrote: > Hi > >  thanks very much for your detailed reply, > I'll adapt my Blender FOundation proposal with your input > and then maybe a KDE proposal later tonight. > > I've looked at this diagram : > <a href="http://svn.kstuff.org/browser/trunk/kstuff/ghns/architecture-future.png" target="_blank">http://svn.kstuff.org/browser/trunk/kstuff/ghns/architecture-future.png</a> > I would like to have one more info as to DXS. > I've noted that DXS is http only which seems ok for me. > looking at > <a href="http://svn.kstuff.org/browser/trunk/kstuff/ghns/architecture-future.pngmake" target="_blank">http://svn.kstuff.org/browser/trunk/kstuff/ghns/architecture-future.pngmake</a> >s understanding the desktop > software / server software break </div>> down<<a href="http://ghns.freedesktop.org/software.php" target="_blank">http://ghns.freedesktop.org/software.php</a>>(with 3 packages) <div class="Ih2E3d">> clearer. > > do you know if > <a href="http://svn.kstuff.org/browser/trunk/kstuff/ghns/architecture-future.png" target="_blank">http://svn.kstuff.org/browser/trunk/kstuff/ghns/architecture-future.png</a> is > implemented yet ? </div>Not quite, the server side administration web interface is not implemented yet I believe. <div class="Ih2E3d"> > is the communication language between client and DXS frontend still SOAP > and is REST going to replace that, or will both coexist ? > Is REST implementation just an idea, or a real intent ? </div>REST is possible, SOAP is the first implementation that is done, REST can be considered as an alternative at this point but still needs to be implemented. <div class="Ih2E3d"> > > do you know if any of the current implementations of ghns clients listed on > <a href="http://ghns.freedesktop.org/software.php" target="_blank">http://ghns.freedesktop.org/software.php</a> (first section) now talk to the > DXS frontend directly ? Or do they all still have the  current </div>> architecture<<a href="http://svn.kstuff.org/browser/trunk/kstuff/ghns/architecture-c" target="_blank">http://svn.kstuff.org/browser/trunk/kstuff/ghns/architecture-c</a> >urrent.png>(that's to say clients talk to web app to browse through, and to <div class="Ih2E3d">> another > specific server fetch and upload contents) ? </div>KNewStuff2 talks to the DXS interface directly, still could use some testing, as only a couple DXS server's have been set up. <div class="Ih2E3d"> > > I did not take the time to have an in depth look at client local > database... Do you know if some software client app has implemented > something (xml or sql dbs) to list reading from the client hard drive > what's been downloaded where and the version info of those contents ? </div>KHotNewStuff2 library implements what it calls a registry in xml files in the user's data folder $KDEHOME/share/apps/knewstuff2-entries.registry/ it just copies the xml from the provider for the installed entries.  Same could be easily done with sqlite or any other db easily. <div class="Ih2E3d"> > your answers would help me a great deal for the proposal I'll post for the > Blender Foundation tonight. > > Sincerely, > Jonathan </div>Sorry, my answers were probably too late to help with your proposal, but again, we are willing to help and show how knewstuff2 works if you need. Jeremy (jpwhiting) <div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"> > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Josef Spillner <<a href="mailto:spillner@kde.org">spillner@kde.org</a>> wrote: > > Salut, > > > > Am Sonntag 06 April 2008 19:13:19 schrieb Jonathan-David SCHRODER: > > > Hi, > > > I made a SoC 2008 proposal at the Blender Foundation to be able to > > > fetch about anything from withing a running Blender app. > > > About anything meaning : models, materials, new blender binary updates, > > > scripts, nodes... > > > The proposal in its current state is here (a publish google docs with > > > > which > > > > > I will update my google SoC some time before the deadline) : > > > <a href="http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dcsrtj3t_92g33hrcgx" target="_blank">http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dcsrtj3t_92g33hrcgx</a>< > > > > <a href="http://docs.google.com/Do" target="_blank">http://docs.google.com/Do</a> > > > > >c?docid=dcsrtj3t_92g33hrcgx&hl=en> > > > > This looks like a very cool idea. Some months back somebody approached us > > for > > a GHNS implementation for OpenClipart in OOo and other applications, and > > I think it's really important to have good application support for GHNS > > beyond > > the desktop-integrated stuff. > > > > > The proposal will see changes today or tomorrow as far as phrasing is > > > concerned (someone looked it over and told me what did not sound > > > very english or was difficult to understand). > > > > It's not hard to understand. I've seen proposals from native English > > speakers > > which were really hard to understand compared to yours. > > > > > In that application, I propose amongst other things, to integrate a > > > GHNS client into Blender, and to develop a template PHP code Blender > > > content repositories implementing the GHS server call API (a > > > data.kstuff.org-adapted back-end+front-end version for Blender data, > > > > whose > > > > > frontend people could customize). > > > > Currently <a href="http://data.kstuff.org" target="_blank">data.kstuff.org</a> runs the Cocodrilo web frontend which is > > already customisable. And it can be embedded into other web pages, > > optionally. As you > > can see <a href="http://data.kde.org" target="_blank">data.kde.org</a> comes in the design of <a href="http://kde.org" target="_blank">kde.org</a>, because it uses the > > KDE > > WWW framework: > >        <a href="http://svn.kstuff.org/browser/trunk/data.kde.org" target="_blank">http://svn.kstuff.org/browser/trunk/data.kde.org</a> > > But the individual repository contents are rendered through Cocodrilo: > >        <a href="http://ghns.berlios.de/cocodrilo/" target="_blank">http://ghns.berlios.de/cocodrilo/</a> > >        (sorry, outdated version, but there's a SVN somewhere) > > > > > A part of the GHNS client would have to be coded in Python (although > > > all the GHNS scripts are in Perl), because Python is simply what > > > Blender is extended with. > > > > GGZ-Python already has an old and somewhat outdated, but still working > > version > > of a GHNS downloader. You could take this as a start. This is independent > > of > > what language the server-side Hotstuff scripts are written in, although > > in all honesty I wouldn't choose Perl again if I had the time to rewrite > > them :-) > > > > > Could you let me know your thoughts of my proposal ? > > > What I propose for Blender, could actually be generalized for > > > > Inkscape... > > > > > Does the GHNS project mentor anything for the 2008 SoC ? > > > > GHNS is a fraction of <a href="http://freedesktop.org" target="_blank">freedesktop.org</a>, and even the mighty > > <a href="http://freedesktop.org" target="_blank">freedesktop.org</a> doesn't menter. Instead, the desktop projects (KDE and > > GNOME) have agreed to > > accept a few students for <a href="http://freedesktop.org" target="_blank">freedesktop.org</a>. I can imagine that the Blender > > foundation would do just the same. > > > > Note that I'm currently not very familiar with Blender. I've used it a > > lot between 2000 and 2002, but not at all since then because I've moved > > out of 3D > > games on Linux into gaming infrastructures and networking. > > > > > Apparently, there are more than 20 proposals at the Blender foundation > > > > and > > > > > I am not sure if mine would be retained.... > > > > Well I think it's a good proposal. And I could volunteer as a mentor, but > > it's > > up to them if they accept me. Even if they do, it'd be better for you to > > find > > advocates within the Blender project, right now. > > > > > I'd be OK to work on a SoC for the KDE group or other organisation, and > > > work to integrate GHNS into more pieces of software such as Inkscape, > > > > Gimp, > > > > > Scribus... so I would be so grateful if you knew where I could apply as > > > well elsewhere than for the Blender Foundation to have more chances to > > > > work > > > > > a Summer of Code this year... . > > > > The chances in KDE would be very slim, there are already ~250 proposals > > and > > only those from which the project really benefits will be chosen. Nothing > > prevents you from submitting an application to KDE, too, but I can > > already see the comments - why Blender if there's Krita filters and KWord > > templates > > and ... > > Therefore I think you should focus on the Blender foundation. > > > > > I think that I should complement my proposal with links to graphics. > > > > Would > > > > > you have any diagrams describing the way GHNS works that I could use > > > and adapt for my Blender proposal ? > > > > You can find some in: > >        <a href="http://svn.kstuff.org/browser/trunk/kstuff/ghns" target="_blank">http://svn.kstuff.org/browser/trunk/kstuff/ghns</a> > > > > Embarassingly there are not more. > > > > > I know that I'm posting this lately. > > > > Pas de probl�me pour moi :) > > > > Josef > > -- > <a href="http://www.jaxtr.com/myselfhimself" target="_blank">http://www.jaxtr.com/myselfhimself</a> > > > > -- > <a href="http://www.jaxtr.com/myselfhimself" target="_blank">http://www.jaxtr.com/myselfhimself</a> </div></div></blockquote></div> -- <a href="http://www.jaxtr.com/myselfhimself">http://www.jaxtr.com/myselfhimself</a>