Zhao Liang,<br>Please read disclaimer in android's mp3 decoder<br><a href="http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/external/opencore.git;a=blob;f=codecs_v2/audio/mp3/patent_disclaimer.txt;h=b4bf11d4ab14011ba28ce5ff6090529d2b7b587f;hb=HEAD">http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/external/opencore.git;a=blob;f=codecs_v2/audio/mp3/patent_disclaimer.txt;h=b4bf11d4ab14011ba28ce5ff6090529d2b7b587f;hb=HEAD</a><br>
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<a id="l2" href="#l2" class="linenr" style="color: rgb(153, 153, 153); text-decoration: none;"> 2</a> THIS IS NOT A GRANT OF PATENT RIGHTS.</div><div class="pre" style="font-family: monospace; font-size: 12px; white-space: pre;">
<a id="l3" href="#l3" class="linenr" style="color: rgb(153, 153, 153); text-decoration: none;"> 3</a> </div><div class="pre" style="font-family: monospace; font-size: 12px; white-space: pre;"><a id="l4" href="#l4" class="linenr" style="color: rgb(153, 153, 153); text-decoration: none;"> 4</a> Google makes no representation or warranty that the codecs for which</div>
<div class="pre" style="font-family: monospace; font-size: 12px; white-space: pre;"><a id="l5" href="#l5" class="linenr" style="color: rgb(153, 153, 153); text-decoration: none;"> 5</a> source code is made available hereunder are unencumbered by</div>
<div class="pre" style="font-family: monospace; font-size: 12px; white-space: pre;"><a id="l6" href="#l6" class="linenr" style="color: rgb(153, 153, 153); text-decoration: none;"> 6</a> third-party patents. Those intending to use this source code in</div>
<div class="pre" style="font-family: monospace; font-size: 12px; white-space: pre;"><a id="l7" href="#l7" class="linenr" style="color: rgb(153, 153, 153); text-decoration: none;"> 7</a> hardware or software products are advised that implementations of</div>
<div class="pre" style="font-family: monospace; font-size: 12px; white-space: pre;"><a id="l8" href="#l8" class="linenr" style="color: rgb(153, 153, 153); text-decoration: none;"> 8</a> these codecs, including in open source software or shareware, may</div>
<div class="pre" style="font-family: monospace; font-size: 12px; white-space: pre;"><a id="l9" href="#l9" class="linenr" style="color: rgb(153, 153, 153); text-decoration: none;"> 9</a> require patent licenses from the relevant patent holders.</div>
</span><br>For codec, google release it doesn't mean it has no patent issue. <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Liang Zhao <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:liangzhao.bit@gmail.com">liangzhao.bit@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Julien,<br><br>I agree with you about LGPL, but for my cases, mp3demux, seems it has few issues (just my personal oppionion).<br>
I quote an example from Android, in Android formal release, it has openCore engine with mp3demux sourcecode embedded, and its license is Apache license. If it has patent issues, google may not release it.<br>
<br>That's just my guess. :)<br><br>Zhao Liang<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/3/13 Julien Moutte <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:julien@moutte.net" target="_blank">julien@moutte.net</a>></span><div><div>
</div><div class="h5"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hi,<br>
<br>
Please have a look at paragraph 11 of the LGPL :<br>
<br>
---<br>
11. If, as a consequence of a court judgment or allegation of patent<br>
infringement or for any other reason (not limited to patent issues),<br>
conditions are imposed on you (whether by court order, agreement or<br>
otherwise) that contradict the conditions of this License, they do not<br>
excuse you from the conditions of this License. If you cannot<br>
distribute so as to satisfy simultaneously your obligations under this<br>
License and any other pertinent obligations, then as a consequence you<br>
may not distribute the Library at all. For example, if a patent<br>
license would not permit royalty-free redistribution of the Library by<br>
all those who receive copies directly or indirectly through you, then<br>
the only way you could satisfy both it and this License would be to<br>
refrain entirely from distribution of the Library.<br>
---<br>
<br>
That means that any (L)GPL component that you distribute needs to be redistributable with no patent restriction.<br>
<br>
This is completely incompatible with most patent licensing agreements which require you to pay a royalty fee for every unit you ship.<br>
<br>
Please find attached a document written by our lawyer on that topic.<br>
<br>
Fluendo's products are covering part of this problem. You can license proprietary decoders and demuxers that will work with GStreamer and come with or without patent licenses.<br>
<br>
Hope this helps,<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br><font color="#888888">
<br>
Julien Moutte,<br>
FLUENDO S.A.<br>
<a href="http://www.fluendo.com" target="_blank">http://www.fluendo.com</a></font><div><div></div><div><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Edward Hervey wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
On Fri, 2009-03-13 at 10:27 +0800, Liang Zhao wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hi all,<br>
<br>
I plan to port mpegaudioparse and asfdemux in plugin-ugly into my<br>
product for resale, is it reasonable?<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
If you mean whether you have the right... it's LGPL, so yes :)<br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
no any license/patent issues?<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Two different things:<br>
* The software license (LGPL) : If you make any modifications, try to<br>
push them upstream, since anybody buying your 'product' will have the<br>
right to demand the exact source code use to build those plugins.<br>
<br>
* Patents. This is for container formats... and it's, to be honest, a<br>
very tricky situation.<br>
There are some saying you need to pay royalties (to whom?) and some<br>
not (because container formats are trivial). But something tells me that<br>
if there was any patents involved ... you would already be covered<br>
considering that you must have decoders (asf without wm* decoders is<br>
useless, and mpegaudioparse without mp3 decoder also) for which you<br>
acquired (or are acquiring, or got the usage rights with the hardware<br>
decoders) a usage license.<br>
Consult a lawyer.<br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
if have, after I pay the royalty, is it ok?<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
The two items above are the only major items to be aware of. But as I<br>
said, if you're making a product, you might want to consult a lawyer<br>
specialized in that field.<br>
<br>
Keep us informed of your progress and show us what product it is once<br>
it's released :)<br>
<br>
Edward<br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
-- <br>
BRs.<br>
Zhao Liang<br><br>
</blockquote><br>
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