<HTML dir=ltr><HEAD><TITLE>Re: Identifying mobile phones as modems</TITLE> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=unicode"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.3132" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV id=idOWAReplyText47425 dir=ltr> <DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>De:</B> Patryk Zawadzki<BR><B>Enviado el:</B> mié 12/03/2008 14:34<BR><B>Para:</B> PEDRO MACANAS VALVERDE<BR><B>CC:</B> hal@lists.freedesktop.org<BR><B>Asunto:</B> Re: Identifying mobile phones as modems<BR></FONT><BR><FONT size=2>>First, please stop posting uninformed wishes to technical mailing<BR>list. </FONT></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr><FONT size=2>How do I have to do informed wishes ?.  For sure you are wrong. A program or package without user feedback goes to death.</FONT></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr><FONT size=2>>You've been politely  a</FONT><FONT size=2>sked not to do so on a number of mailing lists.</FONT></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr><FONT size=2>Are you more technical than me ?. More guru ?. More polite ?  :-/ I don´t think so. In any case, lists are for developers and for users. Developments are mainly based on user needings.</FONT></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr><FONT size=2>>NetworkManager is... a _network_ manager. Please note it is not called<BR>RandomStuffManager nor EverythingManager. </FONT></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr><FONT size=2>Nor NetworkConnectionManager also, if your limit the functions.</FONT></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr><FONT size=2>>Its job is to manager network connections over a number of devices marked as suited for such<BR>task. HAL is the source of information and the devices need to be<BR>marked as either ethernet, 802.11, modem or any other networkable type<BR>there, in HAL.</FONT></DIV><FONT size=2></FONT></DIV> <P><FONT size=2>Sorry, I forget HAL is hardware abtraction layer. Thanks big guru.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>> I agree. We would try the last option ( automatic starting without make all<BR>> other apps unusable).<BR><BR>Who is "we?" That does not add anything to the discussion.<BR></FONT><FONT size=2></FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>Difficult to gues: people that want to try it, including me.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>>A proper solution would require NetworkManager to ignore any serial<BR>devices until the user specifically asks it for a connection. </FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>I don´t agree to this idea. I could opt begin the serial device and connect to the Internet at the startup.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>>That<BR>could actually be a good thing for places where you are charged for<BR>the connection time or data transferred.<BR></FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>This is not my case and this would be optional.</FONT></P><FONT size=2> <P><BR>> >And it was one of my goals to allow various applications to connect to<BR>> > the phone simultanously through some abstract layer (remember phone<BR>> > utopia?).<BR>> This can be HAL.<BR><BR>Sure, it could also be GTK+ or maybe even Xorg. HAL is a hardware<BR>abstraction layer that is supposed to provide mere mortals (with uids<BR>> 0) with information about available devices. It is not a junkyard<BR>nor a hardware proxy (nor a sound mixer nor a package manager nor most<BR>of the things you usually end up asking for).<BR></P> <P>And remember. In any case, you can use the command line interface . This is incredible.</P> <P>Package manager is PackageKit and can be connect using Dbus to HAL and viceversa. Read my previous postings.</P> <P>>Please keep the lists clean. Do not post for the sake of posting. "Me<BR>too" from a non-programmer is just noise.<BR><BR>--<BR>Patryk Zawadzki<BR>>PLD Linux Distribution<BR></P> <P>That is the first time I heard about this distro, but I think it must be difficult to use, only ready for "gurus".</P> <P>Regards</P></FONT></BODY></HTML>