<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN"> <html><body style='font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif'> <p>I'm not 100% on this discussion but I'm behind a Windows 7 machine at the moment so and not able to inspect of a font has a certain table, but Notepad does not apply kerning to Tahoma. It does apply kerning to a font from Adobe, for example Adobe Garamond Pro. Notepad does apply kerning for Calibri, a "newer" MS font. So I think for all "new" system fonts kerning is applied. So I assume they have a kern feature (and Tahoma does not).</p> <p>Does this help?</p> <p>Is there a easy tool for Windows to output these features per file?</p> <p>Rolf</p> <p> </p> <p>Konstantin Ritt schreef op 2014-11-07 09:17:</p> <blockquote type="cite" style="padding-left:5px; border-left:#1010ff 2px solid; margin-left:5px"> <div dir="ltr"> <div>Since we didn't find any native Windows app which applies kerning for these fonts, Eskil just re-considered the described report from "regression" to "fix" ;)</div> <div> </div> <div>Thanks guys.</div> </div> <div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all" /> <div> <div class="gmail_signature">Regards,<br />Konstantin</div> </div> <br /> <div class="gmail_quote">2014-11-07 10:22 GMT+04:00 Khaled Hosny <span><<a href="mailto:khaledhosny@eglug.org">khaledhosny@eglug.org</a>></span>:<br /> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><span>On Thu, Nov 06, 2014 at 08:25:05PM +0000, Jonathan Kew wrote:<br /> > On 6/11/14 20:10, Khaled Hosny wrote:<br /> > >On Thu, Nov 06, 2014 at 09:32:26AM -0800, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:<br /> > >>On 14-11-05 11:50 PM, Khaled Hosny wrote:<br /> > >>>Tahoma (at least the version shipped in Windows 7) has a kern table,<br /> > >>>but no kern feature in its GPOS table, so HarfBuzz will not apply the<br /> > >>>kern table as Behdad described. Uniscribe does not apply the kern<br /> > >>>table here either AFAICT, so I think the font is working as intended.<br /> > >><br /> > >>That was indeed my thinking before. From what I remember, Uniscribe *never*<br /> > >>applied the TrueType 'kern' table; it was left to applications to do that.<br /> > >><br /> > >>So I think what I like to see is: on versions of Windows that ship with such<br /> > >>fonts, does notepad apply kerning? If it does, we should do in HarfBuzz.<br /> > >>Otherwise I'm leaning towards keeping HarfBuzz as is.<br /> > ><br /> > >I tried notepad while testing this and it did not apply kerning for that<br /> > >font (I got kerning in few other random fonts I tried, just in case).<br /> ><br /> > In the fonts where you did get kerning, is there a GPOS 'kern' feature<br /> > present?<br /><br /></span>I tried some Adobe fonts so I think those have a kern feature, but I<br /> tried some MS fonts as well (I don't recall which fonts and I don't have<br /> that machine around to check again now).<br /><br /> Regards,<br /> Khaled</blockquote> </div> </div> <br /> <pre>_______________________________________________ HarfBuzz mailing list <a href="mailto:HarfBuzz@lists.freedesktop.org">HarfBuzz@lists.freedesktop.org</a> <a href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/harfbuzz">http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/harfbuzz</a> </pre> </blockquote> <p> </p> <div> </div> </body></html>