<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">2015-06-30 4:23 GMT-04:00 Femke Snelting <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:snelting@collectifs.net" target="_blank">snelting@collectifs.net</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">OK, I was trying to get things moving before everyone was out of town but clearly started too late ;-)<br>
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Louis, I think it is best you suggest concrete dates for the discussion (July?) and decision (August/September). I e-mailed Hong Phuc and Joao about the delay and will of course try to join and/or facilitate.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>My suggestion is to hold that meeting during a Saturday, at the time that best suit as many time zones as possible.</div><div><br></div><div>From California to Singapore we have 15 hours.<br></div><div><br></div><div>If there’s no error, this means that when it’s 8 o’clock (AM) in California, it’s 11 in Montreal, 12 in Rio de Janeiro, 15 GMT, 17 CET and 23 in Singapore.</div><div><br></div><div>Discussion meeting</div><div>Proposed date : JULY 18</div><div>Proposed time : 15:00 GMT</div><div><br></div><div>Follow-up with each team</div><div>Proposed date : JULY 25</div><div>Proposed time : N/A</div><div>Note: Our questions for precisions or anything that we come across during the discussion meeting are sent to each team on that date. The week delay is a buffer, to let us summarize the discussion and put together our comments and questions in a more readable manner.</div><div><br></div><div>Period for teams to review their proposal:</div><div>Proposed period JULY 25 - SEPT 5.</div><div>Note: Exchanges, questions, etc. can occur freely during this period. We are there to help the teams.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Deadline for final proposal</div><div>Proposed date: SEPT 5</div><div>Proposed time: N/A</div><div>The proposals must arrive to us by that date. Considering time zones, no specific time.</div><div><br></div><div>Links to proposals available to LGM organization on SEPT 6. Email sent on the libre-graphics-meeting-org list.</div><div><br></div><div>Decision meeting</div><div>Proposed date : SEPT 19</div><div>Proposed time : 15:00 GMT</div><div><br></div><div>On Monday SEPT 21, we send a press release, etc.</div><div><br></div><div>How does that sound?</div><div><br></div><div>Louis</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Tonight at 20:00 CET there will be still an IRC meeting, but Larisa will use it to prepare for 2016.<br>
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best!<span class=""><font color="#888888"><br>
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On 2015-06-29 15:17, Louis Desjardins wrote:<br>
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2015-06-29 2:57 GMT-04:00 Femke Snelting <<a href="mailto:snelting@collectifs.net" target="_blank">snelting@collectifs.net</a>>:<br>
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Dear all,<br>
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Dear Femke,<br>
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Apologies for late announcement but the idea was to just discuss the two<br>
proposals before the end of the month (July 1 unfortuntely impossible for<br>
me) so that we can ask for clarifications etc. before making an actual<br>
decision.<br>
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Considering the comments so far, I would suggest that a 3-day announcement<br>
prior to a meeting of that importance is probably too short. Meanwhile, to<br>
be prepared for the meeting we also need to read the proposals. We just got<br>
the info and today we have the links to the proposals, basically a little<br>
bit over 24 hours to read, make comments and be prepared for a discussion.<br>
I don’t feel comfortable with this schedule.<br>
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If you cannot be there tomorrow, please read the documents and add<br>
comments, questions here: <a href="https://titanpad.com/lgmlocation-2017" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://titanpad.com/lgmlocation-2017</a> The<br>
IRC-logs will be sent to the list.<br>
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I suggested that for myself when I thought I would be the only one to be<br>
unable to join the meeting but I realize, now that I take the full measure<br>
of what’s going on, that the process — although not as timely as we would<br>
have liked it to be — is probably now suffering a too fast acceleration.<br>
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For the decision meeting, can you select one of four dates here:<br>
<a href="https://nuages.domainepublic.net/m/wwW2B/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://nuages.domainepublic.net/m/wwW2B/</a><br>
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I think at this point it is urgent to set a pace to this process that will<br>
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allow us to make the best possible decision for 2017. There is no need in<br>
my view to rush a discussion before the end of June, by calling a meeting 3<br>
days prior to the deadline.<br>
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As for the decision dates you suggest, I for one will be on vacation and<br>
out of town during the same period.<br>
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My suggestion : call the meeting for discussion 2-3 weeks in advance, then<br>
give a one month delay for exchanges with the teams who make a proposal and<br>
possibly more since it’s summertime and vacation time for many of us.<br>
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Let’s make the final decision at the end of September.<br>
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Preferably not during working days, if this suggestion reaches the<br>
majority. I find difficult to be in an LGM meeting during working days, at<br>
working hours. I am probably not alone in this situation. I could manage<br>
with lunch time during working days if nothing else works better, but<br>
again, it would be much more convenient during a week-end.<br>
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Can we reach a consensus on a schedule that will allow people to get<br>
organized and be prepared?<br>
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Hope this helps!<br>
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Cheers!<br>
<br>
Louis<br>
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best!<br>
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Femke<br>
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On 2015-06-29 00:13, Julien Deswaef wrote:<br>
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For me, either way should be fine.<br>
Except beyond thursday.<br>
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J<br>
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On 27/06/15 16:45, Louis Desjardins wrote:<br>
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Hello all,<br>
<br>
Would it be possible to consider having this first meeting the day<br>
after, on July 1st, same time?<br>
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Otherwise I won't be able to attend as I have a meeting scheduled at the<br>
same time on June 30.<br>
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Another option would be to have those meeting during week-ends and<br>
possibly then at an earlier hour for Europeans.<br>
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Let me know what's possible and if nothing works I will try to catch up<br>
afterwards.<br>
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Cheers!<br>
<br>
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2015-06-27 5:25 GMT-04:00 Femke Snelting <<a href="mailto:snelting@collectifs.net" target="_blank">snelting@collectifs.net</a><br>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:snelting@collectifs.net" target="_blank">snelting@collectifs.net</a>>>:<br>
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Dear all,<br>
<br>
This is an invitation to make a decision long due: Where will the<br>
Libre Graphics Meeting take place in 2017?<br>
<br>
Two interesting proposals were made [1], one for Niteroi/Rio de<br>
Janeiro (Brazil) and another for Singapore (Singapore).<br>
<br>
Following our experience from last years, I propose the following<br>
procedure:<br>
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People involved in organising, gather for an IRC meeting on *Tuesday<br>
30 June 20:00 CET* for a general discussion of these two proposals.<br>
<br>
From the list of people that have committed for 2016 [2], we get:<br>
Nate Willis, Louis Desjardins, Larisa Blasic, Antonio Roberts, Phil<br>
Langley, Pippin, ginger coons, Femke Snelting, Ale Rimoldi, Julien<br>
Deswaef, Liam Quin, Loraine Furter, Manuel Schmalstieg, Camille<br>
Bissuel, Martin Owens. Last years, Dave Crossland and Greg Pittman<br>
joined the discussion; would be good if you both can join again?<br>
<br>
The first meeting we use to check the proposals against criteria,<br>
and to discuss the consequences of either decision. Some points to<br>
consider [3]:<br>
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- Ethical and political issues<br>
- Security issues<br>
- Health issues<br>
- Free software acceptance or support in the host country<br>
- Budget and sponsoring<br>
- Proposed dates and agenda issues with other events<br>
- Venue and on-site infrastructure<br>
- Travel and accommodation<br>
- Experience of the local team at organizing such an international<br>
event<br>
- Communication skills of the local team<br>
<br>
Relay-persons will clarify questions, issues with proposed venues.<br>
<br>
In a second meeting, we aim to find a consensus between organisers.<br>
Only if we cannot agree, we vote.<br>
<br>
The proposed venue is communicated to the LGM community for<br>
comments, objections.<br>
<br>
We aim to announce the 2017 location by August 1.<br>
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Hope this works?<br>
<br>
best!<br>
<br>
<br>
Femke<br>
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[1]<br>
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<a href="http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/lgm/public-documentation/venue-proposals/2017-venue-proposals/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/lgm/public-documentation/venue-proposals/2017-venue-proposals/</a><br>
[2] <a href="https://titanpad.com/lgm-organisation2016" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://titanpad.com/lgm-organisation2016</a><br>
[3] See also previous listings of criteria:<br>
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<a href="http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/lgm/public-documentation/venue-requirements/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/lgm/public-documentation/venue-requirements/</a><br>
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<a href="http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/lgm/public-documentation/venue-selection-process/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/lgm/public-documentation/venue-selection-process/</a><br>
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