<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif;font-size:13px"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12168"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12583"><gwidion> hello!!<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12262"><n8willis> soooooooooooooooooooooooooo....<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12264"><laraaa> hi all!<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12266"><gingercoons> hi!<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12268"><laraaa> phil is sending his apologies, so i'm covering for locals :)<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12270"><n8willis> sorry; I meant "hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!"<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12272"><pippin> foo<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12274"><a-l-e> hey<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12276"><n8willis> Do we have an agenda for the meeting today?<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12278"><patdavid> yay, activity<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12280"><laraaa> funding is agreed last meeting as a priority agenda item<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12282"><laraaa> with a very, extremely short, info about gallery meeting today<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12284"><n8willis> What specifically would we like to do there (fundingwise)? I know I'm supposed to talk; are there questions or should i give an overview of The Best Way To Do Stuff?<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12286"><laraaa> there were some specific questions last week - lets go back to the log<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12288"><n8willis> find any?<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12290"><a-l-e> (short question: laraaa, did CRogers get in touch with concerning the video recordings?<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12292"><a-l-e> )<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12294"><n8willis> Well, in the meantime, let me ramble about some things the local organizers may need to know.<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12296"><gwidion> so --- funding! Besides the gallery is any ? Are tehre plans to ask for funding on London/UK area?<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12298"><laraaa> no, not yet<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12300"><laraaa> we have our mini local funding sorted<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12302"><laraaa> and i will have a meeting with a friend to get advice and and attemt to get some corporate funding<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12304"><n8willis> laraaa, do you have a local organization that can deposit checks?<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12306"><laraaa> however, it is a major drain on time and energy when we have to work on organising<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12308"><laraaa> no<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12310"><n8willis> well, that would be a majorly important thing to find, if at all possible.<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12312"><n8willis> ie, when corporate donors agree to donate, they prefer to have someone known to send the money to, and a non-individual if possible.<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12314"><laraaa> but why is this local's issue?<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12316"><n8willis> local has expenses.<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12318"><laraaa> shouldn't this be lgm org account<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12320"><laraaa> are we talking about reimbursments?<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12322"><n8willis> there is not an lgm legal entity; that's the crux of it.<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12324"><n8willis> the expenses break neatly into two categories: travel-support and non-travel.<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12326"><gwidion> as a side note, I am in touch with ASL around here - thought nto formally yet. They are the organizers of FISL, the major national event on free software If contacts to them fail. Iwill fallback to the LibreOffice organization which also supports general free software.<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12328"><gwidion> and if all else fails, Brasillian Python association will do.<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12330"><n8willis> the best thing to do is to find an existing FOSS organization that can fill this role. GNOME Foundation used to do it for LGM; that stopped working after a while<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12332"><n8willis> SOMEtimes, the venue or some other local partner can do this; they need to be asked.<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12334"><laraaa> n8willis: local funding is not an issue<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12336"><n8willis> laraaa, I'm not sure exactly what you mean by that statement.<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12338"><laraaa> funding for reimbursements is the issue<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12340"><laraaa> at least this is what i understood from last week's conversation on irc<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12342"><n8willis> but the same issues apply<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12344"><n8willis> when we ask a sponsor for money, they want to know who it goes to<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12346"><laraaa> reimbursements do not go via local organisation as long as i know<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12348"><a-l-e> after gnome, we have used a canadian association louis is related to. in some cases the local organizers had an "association" they could use.<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12350"><n8willis> well, the past few years there hasn't been any organized process at all. And that's what a lot of people don't like.<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12352"><n8willis> a-l-e, correct. I'm saying if there's a local association already handling non-travel expenses,<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12354"><n8willis> it makes things much easier for the same organization to handle processing of travel.<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12356"><n8willis> (that doesn't mean the local team has to make the decisions about reimbursement; we're just talking about accounts)<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12358"><laraaa> i would disagree<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12360"><pippin> laraaa: using a privat individual in a country that has an antiquated banking system (canada) is not good<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12362"><n8willis> ...?<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12364"><pippin> s/privat/private/<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12366"><pippin> UK is not really a good country for international banking either<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12368"><laraaa> i know, i agree with that - a team and an org account yes<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12370"><laraaa> but <br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12372"><laraaa> yes<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12374"><a-l-e> it's a canadian association and not individual... but the expenses related to the payments are indeed way too high and there seems to be much paperwork related to them... so, basically, agreeing with pippin.<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12376"><pippin> a-l-e: it is a canadian association controlled by Louis D. who is a private person<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12378"><a-l-e> well, most asociations are controlled by a person...<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12380"><a-l-e> anyway.<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12382"><n8willis> laraaa, other than 'it didn't work that way last year', what is the objection to handling all accounting in one place?<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12384"><gwidion> (for 2017, having an internatiotional organization which could help with travel refunds will be highly desirable - banking system here is modern, for _"inshore"_ transactions. International money transfer is a major headache.<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12386"><laraaa> that is related to local organisation<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12388"><gwidion> (the canadian association should work for us, even if slow moving)<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12390"><pippin> gwidion: reimbursements handled half a year after the event is not reasonable for international visitors<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12392"><n8willis> "that is related to local organisation" <-- *what* is related? I don't understand<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12394"><laraaa> too much if it is responsibility of a local organisation - is that making sense?<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12396"><gwidion> pippin: Ok. we have to think of soemthing that can work from here on them.<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12398"><gwidion> *then<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12400"><pippin> gwidion: for some people it is OK - for others the cost of such travel might be their entire bank balance or more, not something to postpone for half a year<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12402"><laraaa> perhaps i'm misunderstanding you n8?<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12404"><a-l-e> pippin: i think that (almost) everyone will/would welcome a better solution. but nobody until now (afaik) proposed an alternative.<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12406"><n8willis> there *isn't* additional responsibilty. we're saying someone has to have a bank account for donations to be deposited to. period.<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12408"><n8willis> and if we have multiple different bank accounts, for different line items, outside donors think we are shady.<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12410"><a-l-e> n8willis: afaik, you need an association attached to that account and not an individual.<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12412"><gingercoons> last year, donations all went to travel reimbursements, so having everything from the pledgie go to LD worked out. money for local was provided and handled by the hosting university<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12414"><n8willis> a-l-e, yes, generally a non-individual.<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12416"><gwidion> pippin: even if we can prepare part of the paperwork in advance, do you think that gnome f. and the canadian association would still be slow?<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12418"><gwidion> (I agree that the delays are unacepetable for a lot of people)<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12420"><a-l-e> i don't see how the way through the canadian association can be not small.<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12422"><a-l-e> slow<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12424"><gingercoons> would be nice to have an organization that can handle those things from year to year, though, rather than ad hoc. and I do agree that housing that in canada is impractical, given the nature of our irritating banking institutions<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12426"><n8willis> gingercoons, I agree, and I've looked into several options there (FOSS umbrella organizations).<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12428"><a-l-e> generally, speaking switzerland is very welcoming to money and associations... but i don't think that i want to take that into my hands.<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12430"><n8willis> I have a suggestion or two, but those formal arrangements take many many months to set up; it can't be done for 2016.<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12432"><gwidion> a-l-e: what about some association there? (.ch)? Even a Linux User group formal enough to have a bank account could suffice.<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12434"><gwidion> a-l-e: ok - I wrote before I could read your last phrase.<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12436"><n8willis> gwidion, true; or one in the UK...<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12438"><a-l-e> eh eh<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12440"><n8willis> how about if we start a thread about possible organizations for 2016 only on the mailing list, and move on to other things for right now?<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12442"><a-l-e> wikimedia.ch has been supporting the lgm...<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12444"><a-l-e> and people from one LUG in lausanne.<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12446"><a-l-e> i could try to ask them if they can help us there...<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12448"><a-l-e> but, as said, i'm not sure that i want to be in charge of it...<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12450"><n8willis> a-l-e, certainly worth asking<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12452"><a-l-e> ok, i'll ask them<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12454"><n8willis> separate topic:: I would like to recruit a publication designer to help put together a 'sponsor prospectus' to send companies when we ask for contributions<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12456"><laraaa> phil and i are happy to do that<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12458"><laraaa> we already started working on sponsorship letter<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12460"><n8willis> awesome. I would be happy to write the wordage (or as much of it as needed)<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12462"><n8willis> ok<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12464"><n8willis> is that online?<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12466"><laraaa> http://piratepad.be/p/LGM-London-Funding<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12468"><mrscribe> Title: Etherpad Lite (at piratepad.be)<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12470"><gwidion> ok - so, in short about sponsorship: laraaa - could you check if there are any floss-friendly entities aroudn London that could stand as the "entity" for coroporate sponsors? Otherwise, we all have to think of a way to channel international donations to travel refunds - and we could talk about that on the mailing lists.<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12472"><n8willis> OK; we can follow up on the prospectus idea later. Terrific so far.<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12474"><laraaa> ok, i will inquire with flossie and floss manuals<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12476"><laraaa> but they are both very small and also voluntary - cannot promise big success...<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12478"><gwidion> :-)<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12480"><gwidion> any news on the gallery side?<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12482"><gwidion> (exhibition)?<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12484"><laraaa> yup. had a good meeting today - will paste bits from phils email:<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12486"><laraaa> The meeting with Aviva went well today I thought - plenty of assistance on offer from the gallery in practical terms is on offer (and the party option is a real bonus!). I will follow up with her (and Michael) and take a lead on the practical aspects of the exhibition (content/ call etc will obviously be a collective endeavour!). <br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12488"><laraaa> and here's short notes 'meeting with aviva' here:http://piratepad.be/p/lgm16-exibition<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12490"><mrscribe> Title: Etherpad Lite (at piratepad.be)<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12492"><laraaa> phil will relay his notes in a few days<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12494"><gwidion> cool.<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12496"><gwidion> maybe this party could already be the "official LGM party"?<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12498">* pippin notes that it is 10 min to an hour<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12500"><laraaa> this is to be on 15th - private view at the gallery<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12502"><laraaa> i'm still looking for saturday night fever ;) lgm party venue<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12504"><gwidion> :-)<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12506"><a-l-e> laraaa: do you already have a solution for recording the talks?<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12508"><laraaa> dave was talking about floss pure streaming etc,<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12510"><a-l-e> crogers was proposing to help out...<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12512"><laraaa> great - can you put us in touch<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12514"><laraaa> cos i'm still to do tests early next year<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12516"><a-l-e> so: you don't have a solution yet :-)<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12518"><laraaa> there's gazillions of cameras available there<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12520"><a-l-e> ok<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12522"><laraaa> and a bunch of media students... i'm sure this will be no problem to organise<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12524"><laraaa> it's just we haven't got that far as testing all<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12526"><a-l-e> if i see him around again, i'll tell him.<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12528"><gwidion> ah...yes..the "student resources" :-)<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12530"><laraaa> great, thanks<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12532"><pippin> laraaa: it usually is good to manage to route the audio from microphone to the recording - relying on a camera picking things up leads to bad audio<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12534"><laraaa> that all exists in the main auditorum<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12536"><laraaa> i just need to have a technician show me the setup<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12538"><laraaa> and see if there's room for free software only A/V<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12540"><laraaa> + streaming<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12542"><pippin> streaming is nice, but having someone that have done conference recordings before do recordings is highly desirable..<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12544"><laraaa> i will ask peter if he'd like to continue to lead documentation?<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12546"><laraaa> is that what you mean?<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12548"><pippin> at least he has battled the logistics of making it happen before, and that is good<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12550"><pippin> aiming for streaming, if one tasks students that have never done it before,. sounds like russian roulette to me<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12552"><laraaa> :) <br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12554"><laraaa> Dave Crossland contacted the guy who did the fsf libreplanet streaming using 100% libre software<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12556"><pippin> I guess next meeting might be in january (starting to pack up for the night)<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12558"><laraaa> i'll follow up with this too<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12560"><laraaa> yeah, jan is reasonable<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12562"><laraaa> lets wrap up<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12564"><laraaa> so, we continue fundraising via email and we update you on progress on all?<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12566"><pippin> sounds good<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12568"><patdavid> i'm on tap if needed as well, fyi<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12570"><pippin> 6th of january - same time?<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12572"><gwidion> it is ok for me.<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12574"><laraaa> works for me too<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12576"><n8willis> works for me<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12578"><gingercoons> ditto<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12580"><laraaa> i'll send the log to the list now<br class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12582"><pippin> :)</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12170"> </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450296687136_12169" class="signature">http://www.e-w-n-s.net</div> <br><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div style="display: block;" class="yahoo_quoted"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2"> On Wednesday, 16 December 2015, 16:33, Femke Snelting <snelting@collectifs.net> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container">Meeting tonight @ IRC with news from the exhibition prepared by the London team and getting funding for this year sorted out, also important with an eye on LGM2017 in Brasil.<br><br>I won't be able to join this time but will read logs and see you at the next<br><br>F<br>_______________________________________________<br>Libre-graphics-meeting-org mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:Libre-graphics-meeting-org@lists.freedesktop.org" href="mailto:Libre-graphics-meeting-org@lists.freedesktop.org">Libre-graphics-meeting-org@lists.freedesktop.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libre-graphics-meeting-org" target="_blank">http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libre-graphics-meeting-org</a><br><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></div></body></html>