<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Hi all,<br><br></div>I must add I'm not ready either to maintain current infrastructure next year without ale, as he do most of the work, and I cannot afford to use more of my time for such tasks.<br>
<br></div><div>IMO, whatever tool we install there we be rants about it, and I think we need do to learn to be happy with what we have now !<br><br><br><br></div><div>On the technical side a geeky and interesting alternative to Wordpress and Jekyll is <a href="http://docpad.org/">DocPad</a>, but it barely satisfy the OWANCS needs ;)<br>
<br></div><div>Have a nice day/evening/night...<br></div><div>Camille<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014/1/16 Louis Desjardins <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:louis.desjardins@gmail.com" target="_blank">louis.desjardins@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">2014/1/16 ale rimoldi <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:a.l.e@ideale.ch" target="_blank">a.l.e@ideale.ch</a>></span><br>
<div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi,<br>
<br>
personally, I'm getting very tired with all those people who are not<br>
happy with the tool(s) installed on the LGM server and keep bitching<br>
around.<br>
(And I'm not happy about the server not working correctly, either).<br>
<br>
<br>
Since it seems that nobody likes the Wordpress that is currently<br>
installed on the server, </blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>-1</div><div><br></div><div>What about OWANCS?</div><div><br></div><div>For me, speaking from the point of view of an organiser of LGM, I pretty much like most everything that’s available in Wp.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Pros</div><div><span>Easy to add or edit content even for organisers-with-almost-no-computer-skills (further noted as </span>OWANCS<span>) like myself.</span></div>
<div>Easy to create forms and edit them, and even set the notifications for an OWANCS.</div><div>Easy to retrieve data gathered with forms by a simple download to cvs and we can even pick the fields we need, and date, for any particular given needs, even for an OWANCS!</div>
<div><br></div><div>Wishlist</div><div>It would be great if the Participant list would update itself automatically after each addition, in respect with the choice to be shown or not from the registrant. At present time I think this is done manually or semi-manually.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Cons</div><div>Nothing worth mentioning and certainly nothing that would lead to a decision like taking Wp away!</div><div><br></div><div>This basically covers most of what’s written below.</div><div>
<br>
</div><div>Some further comments in between the lines...</div><div class="im"><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">we need to remove it before next year's LGM.<br>
<br>
I'm not ready to maintain the server for another year under the current<br>
circumstances.<br>
<br>
<br>
Now, the reason for removing Wordpress are rather simple: it is a<br>
blogging tool and nobody feels the need of doing any blogging on the<br>
LGM site.<br></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>That maybe true today but might change quickly. Plus, WP has other advantages. </div><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
And:<br>
<br>
- Nobody thinks that using WP as a general tool is a good idea, either.<br></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>OWANCS do. ;-) </div><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
- Nobody things that using WP for information management is a<br>
good idea. </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
- The forms plugin installed (Gravity Forms) not only is a<br>
commercial plugin that we should pay for each year, but it's also the<br>
best solution available for WP and is not good enough for us<br>
(no granular access to the forms).<br></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>The Gravity Form cost $39 per year, something we can afford.</div><div><br></div><div>I am not sure to understand what "granular access" is. I know you can select fields to be downloaded but I have a sense that this is not what you mean here. Can you tell me what this is?</div>
<div class="im">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
<br>
So: we clearly have the wrong tool installed.<br></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Not quite wrong! </div><div><div class="h5"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
<br>
<br>
Now, the first step for building a solid site is to find out what we<br>
need. The second step will be to propose and then choose the tools to be<br>
used.<br>
<br>
<br>
For what I know what we need (and mostly somehow already have) is:<br>
<br>
- A website presenting the LGM (currently the lgm/ wordpress instance)<br>
<br>
- An information management tool for the LGM (currently the lgm/<br>
WP instance, partially as public, partially as private pages).<br>
<br>
- A website presenting the next/current LGM (currently the 2014/ wp...<br>
and 2013/ wp, 2012/ wp...).<br>
<br>
- An information management tool for the specific LGM edition<br>
(currently the mediawiki intance on houz' server).<br>
<br>
- A form/list editor for gathering the information from the<br>
participants (currently the non free Gravity Forms for Wordpress).<br>
<br>
- An aggregator of tweets and co. about the LGM.<br>
<br>
<br>
My questions to you are:<br>
<br>
- Do you know of other needs for the LGM server? (existing needs or nice<br>
to have)<br>
<br>
- Do you know good tools for meeting those needs?<br>
<br>
And, on top of it, under certain circumstances, we will have to find a<br>
new server for hosting those tools... so if you have any proposition...<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
As a personal note, I'd like to install and maintain one single tool<br>
that happens to meet all our needs *or* install several small tools<br>
that all match one of the needs.<br>
I'd like to avoid installing a tool like Mediawiki, which is somehow<br>
the same as Wordpress, but starting from the wiki world instead of the<br>
blogosphere. Somehow meeting each of needs, with no clear boundary on<br>
what it can and cannot do.<br>
... except if you can convince a majority of LGMers that it's the best<br>
tool to match one of our needs.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I'd like to see a few ideas collected before the LGM, then discuss<br>
it in Leipzig and find good solutions for the future of the LGM server.<br>
<br>
<br>
Have a nice evening and sorry for the long mail... I could not write it<br>
shorter.<br></blockquote><div><br></div></div></div><div>It’s perfect! No worries about lenghty emails... I write some too! :-)</div><div><br></div><div>Last thought. I would like to introduce all geek reading this list to this minority-with-no-name until today, the OWANCS! :-)</div>
<div><br></div><div>Any tool you guys pick, please be kind to us!</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>Louis</div></font></span><div class="im"><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
a.l.e<br>
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