<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">2014/1/18 Gregory Pittman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gpittman@iglou.com" target="_blank">gpittman@iglou.com</a>></span><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><div><div class="h5">
<div>On 01/18/2014 06:12 PM, Andrew Chadwick
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre>On 17 January 2014 22:04, Louis Desjardins <a href="mailto:louis.desjardins@gmail.com" target="_blank"><louis.desjardins@gmail.com></a> wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre>2014/1/16 Gregory Pittman <a href="mailto:gpittman@iglou.com" target="_blank"><gpittman@iglou.com></a>
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre>******* Proposed LGM COC ********************
[...]
**********************************************
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre>Thanks Greg for this edited version!
To everyone: Does the proposed LGM CoC meet our expectations?
What I see here is something easy to understand, concise, to the point.
Without the idea of rushing anyone, may I ask if someone feels he or she
didn’t have time to express an opinion, share a thought or bring up an
argument we’d need to consider?
Is it too early or are we ready for a vote?
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre>It's a good statement of intent, and as such it has my tentative
approval as an initial draft. I think it would needs to go further
about con organiser responses as it evolves.
The PyCon UK CoC (<a href="http://pyconuk.net/CodeOfConduct" target="_blank">http://pyconuk.net/CodeOfConduct</a>, full text below)
does that very well, and it's about the tersest one with teeth that
I've seen. I like the brevity and the "we trust" of its opening
'spirit' paragraphs. I like its reassurances to complainants in the
third para (because they may otherwise not come forward, and/or may
have a dread of not being taken seriously), and I like how the bullet
point 'consequences' section enumerates specifically how it isn't
fooling around.
Anything based on it should absolutely enumerate different notions of
appropriate behaviour to fit LGM's ethos, an excellent point Susan has
raised upthread with what has to be *the* perfect example.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - ✁ - - - - - - - - - - -
Pycon UK Statement on Diversity and Conduct
Happily, PyconUK is a diverse community who maintain a reputation as a
friendly, welcoming and dynamic group.
We trust that attendees will treat each other in a way that reflects
the widely held view that diversity and friendliness are strengths of
our community to be celebrated and fostered.
In cases of inappropriate behaviour (including unsuitable language and
imagery in talks) please contact a PyconUK organiser directly and in
private. Any complaint will remain confidential, be taken seriously,
investigated, and dealt with appropriately.
PyconUK reserves the right to carry out any of the following actions
relating to a complaint:
• The person concerned may be told to stop/modify their behaviour
appropriately and a warning will be issued.
• The person concerned may be warned that enforcement action may be
taken if the behaviour continues.
• The person concerned may be asked to leave the venue immediately
and/or will be prohibited from continuing to attend PyconUK (without
reimbursement).
• The incident may be reported to the Police.
(This document is released under a creative commons license[1].)
[1] <a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/" target="_blank">http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/</a>
- - - - - - - - - - - - - ✁ - - - - - - - - - - -
</pre>
</blockquote>
</div></div><font face="Liberation Serif">I guess you may have hit on something
that seems to be on people's minds: they want "teeth" in this
thing. There is a famous quote from Madeleine Albright when she
was UN Ambassador for the US: "What's the point of having nuclear
weapons if you can't use them?"</font></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><font face="Liberation Serif">
<br>
How small does a meeting have to be to not display teeth? I see
that as of Dec 23rd, PyCon had 800 people already signed up for
PyCon 2014. We'd be likely overwhelmed with anywhere near that
number! (i.e., gnashing of teeth)<br></font></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Which gets me back to: are we ready for a vote on the text Greg has proposed?</div><div><br></div><div>This may well take place in next Wednesday’s meeting, if we are ready.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Pratically, we could have a short but clear CoC with no description of teeth. Why would we need that? The purpose is not about biting. We’ll take "appropriate steps". Do we need to say more? This leaves the door open. It doesn’t say _what_ will happen if... It says we’ll take "appropriate steps". It’s up to us to find out if this is enough or if we need to really say we have teeth, and describe them.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The most difficult part is in fact to handle any given "conflictual" situation with diplomacy. I support an open and short yet clear CoC. PSF has paved the road for us. Those few paragraphs are more than enough in my view for the LGM. And if over time we end up thinking it is not enough, then we’ll reconsider it.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I propose we put that on the agenda for Wednesday’s meeting.</div><div><br></div><div>Louis</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><font face="Liberation Serif">
<br>
Greg</font></div></blockquote></div></div></div>