[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 137151] The break to paragraph (being a line) or linked to paragraph content

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=137151

--- Comment #13 from Telesto <telesto at surfxs.nl> ---
(In reply to Mike Kaganski from comment #12)
> I don't fully understand the specific problem discussed in this report. In
> the view of bug 138628 comment 42, I assume this to be an enhancement
> request for introduction of a page-break-as-separate-object concept (?)

In hindsight, yes I think so. I started with a 'issue' without concrete
solution. But made some turns left in right before ending up at that point. 

Must of the sting would already be gone if the wouldn't be set for for 'all
characters' within the paragraph (as such), but would be about the starting of
a paragraph (word/character). 

But not totally grasping the advantage/idea behind page break being a paragraph
setting (except it can be applied by paragraph style). So maybe me lacking the
relevant knowledge why it's attributed to all characters within the paragraph. 

> Page-break-as-separate-object could have at least one real advantage: in
> case when one wants to insert a page break in the middle of a paragraph,
> without actually breaking the paragraph into two. This use case is similar
> to the use of line break character, when one is not satisfied with automatic
> line breaking, and wants to force the line break in a specific place without
> breaking the paragraph. Currently the same is not possible for page breaks,
> and manual page break requires a new paragraph, with implications for
> formatting (think of first paragraph line indent), search-and-replace (it
> doesn't work natively across paragraphs), and so on.
> 
> However, in this case that hypothetical page-break object (character) should
> only break pages, and have no properties related to page formatting by its
> own. So it must only substitute the automatically inserted page break, and
> must not alter the automatically assigned page style.

Yes
> 
> In any case, it is not a replacement for the current
> page-break-as-paragraph-property concept, which has huge advantage when used
> together with paragraph styles, allowing to produce automatic and consistent
> page breaks and styling depending on document structure. 
Yes

> Being a paragraph property has also a drawback that it requires user to 
> realize this to avoid surprises (that seem to be the reason for filing this?), 

Yes
> but that's normal with any advanced concept.

Problem is also terminology. Using "page break" for "paragraph page breaks" is
kind of breaking the silent convention about the meaning page break. There is
kind of 'settled' terminology in the world of Office Suites, (object oriented).
And the LibreOffice one does look like/behave like a 'regular' page break,
until..

So feels like LibreOffice re-inventing the meaning. The evolution sometimes
quite natural. Book <-> E-book (e-book lacking lacking lots of characteristics
of a book). Pick-up the phone (was about landline). Converted to mobile. Tablet
electronic devise <-> stone tablet.

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