[Libreoffice-qa] Toolbar Proposal Completed

[Jay Philips]

Hi Joel,

Well the UX team is already CCed in the bug report and i guess they will
get around to it whenever they do, which i assume will take a while.
Have my fingers crossed that some portions of the proposal lands in
master or the release after that. Definitely think it will help
differentiate LO's look from OOo/AOO. But I was mainly just sharing my
work with the QA team, as it was a happy occasion for me that i was able
to complete it, as this is the team i'm with and welcomed their
constructive criticism of it. :D

Regards,
Jay Philips

On 07/30/2014 12:36 AM, Joel Madero wrote:
> A big +1 to everything Jay wrote. Change in of itself will cause angst
> for some users but that is the nature of our project. With the
> tremendous amount of statistics backing Jay's proposal, I give a thumbs up.
> 
> That being said - why isn't UX included in on this discussion? This
> isn't really a QA issue at all ;)
> 
> 
> Best,
> Joel
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Jay Philips <philipz85 at hotmail.com
> <mailto:philipz85 at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     On 07/27/2014 12:06 PM, Tommy wrote:
>     > On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 00:22:18 +0200, Jay Philips
>     <philipz85 at hotmail.com <mailto:philipz85 at hotmail.com>>
>     > wrote:
>     >
>     > experienced UI users would not take any benefit from a change
>     since they
>     > will keep using their custom preset
> 
>     The advantage would be that they would have less buttons to add/remove
>     from the toolbars than they usually do, as your toolbar screenshot
>     showed. :)
> 
>     > unexperienced user who never customized the toolbar could be
>     disoriented
>     > by the new setup, thinking some buttons have been "removed"
> 
>     Well change isnt a bad thing if it makes things better for users, which
>     is why we have new features added to libreoffice on each release.
>     Unexperienced users who never use buttons like data sources or
>     navigator, would benefit from buttons like insert image and insert
>     footnote. The toolbars havent been update in 9 years and with statistics
>     on how often users use the toolbar buttons, there are benefits to
>     revamping the toolbars. And with everyone taking notice of the new
>     toolbars, they will look at it with a new set of eyes to see what new
>     functionality has been brought to it.
> 
>     >> And when users dont find the necessary buttons in the toolbar,
>     they go
>     >> through the menus looking for the functionality.
>     >
>     > if they never customized it before why should they do it after you
>     > change the default set?
> 
>     The text you quoted doesnt correspond to your reply. The text you quoted
>     relates to the current toolbar and when users dont find a suitable
>     button in it, they go to the menu to get the functionality they need.
> 
>     Regarding your reply, users who never changed their toolbar would likely
>     not change the new set, but they have the ability to change it if they
>     choose, just like they currently have with the current set. You have
>     stated previously, "I think it's up to the user to decide which button
>     he needs and which he doesn't." and this choice isnt being taken from
>     the user with the new set.
> 
>     > prepare to see useless bug reports about "button" is missing (which is
>     > not) etc. etc.
> 
>     Of course a number of users will complain about any change that is made,
>     this always happens. I had a bug report that a keyboard user was no
>     longer able to navigate the Character dialog as he used to with a
>     previous version [bug 80612]:
> 
>     "... but what I used to be able to do doesn't work anymore, namely press
>     Tab three times to get to Effects and then press down to get to small
>     caps: that window doesn't get focus."
> 
>     With the ability for them to customize the toolbars, they can revert the
>     changes they wish to revert. Ultimately, you cant please everyone but
>     the changes are being made to benefit the majority of users. There must
>     have been people who complained when the toolbars were last changed when
>     OOo 2.0 was released. You even have users who prefer toolbars and menus
>     over the ribbon UI, which is why you have addons that bring back this
>     functionality.
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