[Libreoffice-qa] ESC meeting minutes: 2020-10-01

Miklos Vajna vmiklos at collabora.com
Fri Oct 2 07:22:05 UTC 2020


* Present:
    + Stephan B, Cloph, Eike, Caolan, Gabriel, Florian, Michael W, Heiko, Ilmari, Thorsten, Olivier, Guilhem, Sophie, Mike K, Michael M, Michael S, Miklos, Xisco, Jan-Marek, Stephan F, Paolo, Daniel


* Completed Action Items:
    + set up 1 Android CI builder and see the build turn-around time (Cloph)
      + jenkins builder is up, and rotates between the 4 architectures
      + 90 mins is the full build, 10 mins is the cached build
      + still gathering data

* Pending Action Items:
    + None

* Release Engineering update (Cloph)
    + 7.0 status
       + 7.0.2 rc2 was tagged yesterday, builds are in progress
    + 6.4 status
       + 6.4.7 rc2 will be tagged next week
    + Remotes
    + Android viewer

* Online move (Michael M)
    + hopes that this is the least bad move for TDF
    + will have questions section at the end, is that OK?

* FYI: LO now runs native on Windows ARM64 (Jan-Marek)
    + cross-builds on Windows x64, starts in QEMU (very slow)
    + can TDF provide a TB, so it won’t break again?
    + offer experimental installer for 7.1?
    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=137143
    + a side-project, but working nicely
    + AWS has ARM64 workers (Michael M)
    + if testing the cross-compilation, that can be tested on normal build infra (Cloph)
    + just need to install the arm64 tools in VS, and it should just work (JMux)
    + could even produce an installer
    + should we have a designed windows builder where the SDK is installed? (Thorsten)
     + if it’s a std part of VS, would just install it everywhere (Cloph)
     + a distro-config would be ideal (Thorsten)
     + highly preferred :-) (Cloph)
     + have a local commit with full configuration to please java cross-compile (JMux)
       + other than java, no special switches
       + .NET and gpg is still disabled

* Documentation (Olivier)
    + New Help
       + Minor fixes in CSS (buovjaga)
    + Helpcontent2
       + Updates, fixes, typos, maintenance (S. Chaiklin, S. Horacek, LibreOfficiant, ohallot, Jhonny_M, Travis)
    + Google Seasons of Doc 2020
       + Progress in Calc wiki pages
       + Progress in Calc e-learning
    + Guides
       + Work on going.

* UX Update (Heiko)
    + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
        249(249) (topicUI) bugs open, 263(263) (needsUXEval) needs to be evaluated by the UXteam
    + Updates:
        BZ changes   1 week     1 month   3 months   12 months  
             added      11(-2)     33(-3)     66(0)     173(-5) 
         commented     109(-30)   404(3)    1049(5)    3789(-11)
           removed       2(-1)      8(2)      12(0)      58(0)  
          resolved      17(-5)     58(9)     115(7)     413(9)  
    + top 10 contributors:
          Heiko Tietze made 316 changes in 1 month, and 2198 changes in 1 year
          Telesto made 108 changes in 1 month, and 553 changes in 1 year
          BogdanB made 88 changes in 1 month, and 177 changes in 1 year
          Foote, V Stuart made 77 changes in 1 month, and 627 changes in 1 year
          Kainz, Andreas made 59 changes in 1 month, and 481 changes in 1 year
          Dieter Praas made 50 changes in 1 month, and 502 changes in 1 year
          Roman Kuznetsov made 42 changes in 1 month, and 268 changes in 1 year
          Thomas Lendo made 31 changes in 1 month, and 140 changes in 1 year
          *UNKNOWN* made 24 changes in 1 month, and 66 changes in 1 year
          Timur made 23 changes in 1 month, and 251 changes in 1 year

   * New tickets with needsUXEval Sep/25-Oct/01
     + 26 new tickets
     + meeting about the sidebar (one initial width for all decks,
       ability to reduce a deck width up to the content, 
       remove the minimized state)

* Crash testing (Caolan)
    + 275(+271) import failure, 0(+0) export failures
      + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/103768
    + 0 coverity issues
    + 10 ossfuzz issues
      + lots of cmap fixes

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
   + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.4.5.2
        + (+26) 1630 1604 1618 1744 1814 2208 2552 2315 1761 1162 0
   + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.4.6.2
        + (+110) 1674 1564 1306 1053 874 0
   + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/7.0.0.3
        + (+29) 3981 3952 4171 5084 6489 3840 788 0
   + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/7.0.1.2
        + (+1132) 5694 4561 3223 1986 0

- https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/signature/sw::util::GetPoolItems(SfxItemSet%20const%20&,std::map%3Cunsigned%20short,SfxPoolItem%20const%20*,sw::util::ItemSort,std::allocator%3Cstd::pair%3Cunsigned%20short%20const%20,SfxPoolItem%20const%20*%3E%20%3E%20%3E%20&,bool)

  + not looking that bad, but quite some reports


* Mentoring/easyhack update
          committer...   1 week     1 month    3 months     12 months   
                  open      95(16)     140(17)    141(15)       150(15) 
               reviews     586(158)   1912(30)   4618(142)    19650(70) 
                merged     389(-13)   1771(49)   5141(-144)   19962(-80)
             abandoned      20(-1)      84(10)    224(-4)      1040(-1) 
           own commits     305(10)    1329(27)   3820(-58)    16303(-43)
        review commits     109(21)     447(13)   1184(48)      4851(55) 
        contributor...   1 week      1 month     3 months      12 months   
                  open       31(7)       67(2)        68(1)         70(1)  
               reviews     1080(-22)   4436(-16)   12729(-490)   45536(-63)
                merged       24(9)      147(-3)      381(-14)     1564(6)  
             abandoned        3(-3)      25(-15)     109(-10)      555(0)  
           own commits       29(10)     160(7)       497(3)       1641(15) 
        review commits        0(0)        0(0)         0(0)          0(0)  
    + easyHack statistics:
       needsDevEval 9(9)   needsUXEval 2(2)   cleanup_comments 249(249)   
       total 297(297)   assigned 16(16)   open 260(260)   
    + top 10 contributors:
          George Bateman made 23 patches in 1 month, and 23 patches in 1 year
          Dániel Arató made 19 patches in 1 month, and 21 patches in 1 year
          Aditya Sahu made 17 patches in 1 month, and 34 patches in 1 year
          Johnny_M made 10 patches in 1 month, and 302 patches in 1 year
          Alain Romedenne made 9 patches in 1 month, and 147 patches in 1 year
          Weblate made 7 patches in 1 month, and 71 patches in 1 year
          Regényi Balázs made 6 patches in 1 month, and 6 patches in 1 year
          Nagy Tibor made 5 patches in 1 month, and 19 patches in 1 year
          Attila Bakos made 5 patches in 1 month, and 32 patches in 1 year
          Dr. David Alan Gilbert made 5 patches in 1 month, and 5 patches in 1 year
    + top 10 reviewers:
          Nabet, Julien made 284 review comments in 1 month, and 1450 in 1 year
          Timar, Andras made 196 review comments in 1 month, and 1499 in 1 year
          McNamara, Caolán made 136 review comments in 1 month, and 802 in 1 year
          Behrens, Thorsten made 128 review comments in 1 month, and 1374 in 1 year
          Németh, László made 114 review comments in 1 month, and 652 in 1 year
          Adolfo Jayme Barrientos made 88 review comments in 1 month, and 1296 in 1 year
          Xisco Fauli made 82 review comments in 1 month, and 818 in 1 year
          Vajngerl, Tomaž made 76 review comments in 1 month, and 324 in 1 year
          Grandin, Noel made 74 review comments in 1 month, and 972 in 1 year
          Vajna, Miklos made 74 review comments in 1 month, and 924 in 1 year
    + Patches automatically abandoned:
        tdf#103414 Add/Del S or MI with Add/Del decimals ( Laurent Balland-Poirier )
            - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/96980

        tdf#131850 - Start center performance issues ( Heiko Tietze )
            - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/98520

        tdf#128795 Chart OOXML: fix import of Rectangular gradient fill ( Tünde Tóth )
            - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/98944

        More “e-mail” → “email” ( Adolfo Jayme Barrientos )
            - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/99465

    + big CONGRATULATIONS to contributors who have at least 1 merged patch, since last report:
          Felix Wiegand (Mankido)

* Commit Access
  + None

* Developer Certification (Stephan/Kendy/Thorsten)
    + sleep 1 weeks
    + seeking for a new person as a replacement for Bjoern, who is currently
      inactive

* Jenkins / CI update (Christian)
    from:Thu Sep 24 13:13:48 2020
    master linux rel  jobs:  50 ok:  50 ko:   0 fail ratio:  0.00 % break:   0 broken duration: 0.00%
    master linux dbg  jobs:  44 ok:  42 ko:   2 fail ratio:  4.55 % break:   2 broken duration:10.56%
    master mac rel    jobs:  93 ok:  93 ko:   0 fail ratio:  0.00 % break:   0 broken duration: 0.00%
    master mac dbg    jobs:  93 ok:  93 ko:   0 fail ratio:  0.00 % break:   0 broken duration: 0.00%
    master win rel    jobs:  64 ok:  62 ko:   2 fail ratio:  3.12 % break:   1 broken duration: 9.93%
    master win dbg    jobs:  71 ok:  68 ko:   3 fail ratio:  4.23 % break:   2 broken duration: 4.69%
    master win64 dbg  jobs:  66 ok:  62 ko:   4 fail ratio:  6.06 % break:   3 broken duration:10.25%
    master gerrit lin jobs: 584 ok: 500 ko:  53 fail ratio:  9.08% time for ok: mean:  24 median:  24
    master gerrit plg jobs: 512 ok: 366 ko: 113 fail ratio: 22.07% time for ok: mean:  35 median:  31
    master gerrit win jobs: 653 ok: 396 ko: 144 fail ratio: 22.05% time for ok: mean:  59 median:  56
    master gerrit mac jobs: 589 ok: 477 ko:  82 fail ratio: 13.92% time for ok: mean:  30 median:  23
    master gerrit all jobs: 561 ok: 270 ko: 172 fail ratio: 30.66% time for ok: mean:  99 median:  87
   + https://dev-www.libreoffice.org/tmp/gerrit_201001.html 
   + tests that failed more than twice in last seven days
      3 Killed by the kill-wrapper		gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
      3 CppunitTest_chart2_xshape		gerrit_windows
      3 CppunitTest_connectivity_mork		gerrit_linux_gcc_release
      3 CppunitTest_connectivity_mork		gerrit_mac
      3 CppunitTest_sd_misc_tests		gerrit_windows
      3 CppunitTest_sw_mailmerge		gerrit_windows
      3 CppunitTest_sw_odfexport		gerrit_windows
      3 CppunitTest_vcl_complextext		gerrit_windows
      3 JunitTest_ridl_remote		gerrit_linux_gcc_release
      3 UITest_writer_tests3		gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
      4 CppunitTest_connectivity_mork		gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
      4 CppunitTest_sc_subsequent_export_test		gerrit_windows
      6 CppunitTest_sw_ooxmlexport8		gerrit_windows
    + nothing unusual, same as on other weeks
    + fixed 2 other timeout problems (clipboard, Windows update check), that should help (Stephan)
      + still seeing a problem locally, but the fix for that would actually hang during Jenkins...


* l10n (Sophie)
  + working is ongoing

* Graphics architecture (Thorsten)
  * https://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/ESC_graphics_architecture
  * skia / vulkan metabug: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129062
      + 17 (+0) open bugs, 124 total (+4)

* LibreOffice Conference will be Online (Sophie)
  + some people wondered if it is possible to pre-record the talk?
    - possible, but not a requirement

* Proposal to TDF board to have regression prevention as a future key goal (Ilmari)
  + Volunteer contributors are not in a position to know how paid development relates to regressions of arbitrary age – unrealistic expectations sometimes
  + Increasing automation etc. is something concrete we can do to reduce the friction between volunteers in the various teams and paid devs
  + Budget items would be optional, can also focus existing resources
  + Good to send a positive message to volunteers through action and acknowledgement
  + Maybe make it an initiation ritual that newcomer devs tackle a cppunit test immediately after their first trivial easy hack
  + Invest in figuring out how to integrate the automated triaging system Bugbug into our Bugzilla after we upgrade to 6 https://github.com/mozilla/bugbug
  + brought this proposal to the board, they said come to the ESC
    + they way the key goals work is that the TDF staff focuses on these areas
    + may also have some budget associated
  + sounds really encouraging (Michael M)
    + the last output from ESC’s budget ranking contained no testing topics, other than a11y testing
    + Xisco may have ideas where to focus
    + Some areas are hard to test (Michael M)
  + could also cover things like automated triaging (Ilmari)
    + is it looking for duplicates? (Michael M)
    + also adds metadata (Ilmari)
    + anything that helps to get staff to work on this area is great (Thorsten)
    + also educate: just because XY worked on an area, can’t expect to fix any related problems/regressions forever (Miklos)
      + not easy to solve this
    + fail to see the benefit of putting this as a key goal, though (Xisco)
      + acts as a license for us to focus on this when doing mentoring (Ilmari)
      + could have a PDF validator (Xisco, Thorsten)
  + question: “Should the board made regression prevention a key goal?”
    => yes, that makes sense (All)

* QA update (Xisco)
    + Please help flesh out the monthly reports:
          https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/2qbepFYXXan4ief

    + UNCONFIRMED: 1269 (+33)
        + enhancements: 128  (+1)
        + needsUXEval: 13 (-2)
        + haveBackTrace: 1 (+0)
        + needsDevAdvice: 15 (+0)
        + documentation:  14 (+2)
        + android:  5 (+0)
        + iOS:  0 (+0)
        + Online:  24 (+3)


    + Most pressing bugs:
     old:
       + PDF export: LibreOffice 6.3 option buttons in forms not working in Adobe Reader (OK in other readers)
           + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=127217

           + Thorsten ?

       + CRASH: Chart: Changing properties in different objects
           + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=133630

           + Muhammet ?

       + macOS: Can't Save As after installing language pack on Catalina
           + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=132025
           + more info here: “Subject: Budget 2020 proposals and macOS
Catalina
             support / onboarding” on the dev list (Heiko)

        + Text runs of RTL scripts (e.g. Arabic, Hebrew, Persian) from
imported
          PDF are reversed, PDFIProcessor::mirrorString not behaving
            + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104597
            + Thorsten looking at it
            + old problem, but many duplicates


    + New high severity bugs of the week:
        + Clicking on the table border will select the full table content instead of only selecting the border (used for cut/paste)
            + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117485
            + Gokul?

        + Crash deleting a table
            + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136728
            + fallout from previous perf work


        + FILEOPEN: PPTX: Text is center aligned instead of left
            + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=137023
            + assigned to Miklos already

* Online move questions (Michael M)

   + can help with answering questions?
   + suspect: good place to ask questions directly, but the broader discussion will be on board-discuss@ (Thorsten)
     + extremely mixed emotions: sad to see this happening, but it was effectively like this already for years
     + just making this more visible
     + hope: this a start for a good discussion
   + Online uses LOKit, Collabora will maintain that? (Caolan)
     + yes, that would be my expectation (Michael M)
   + is there still discussion ongoing? (Michael W)
     + everything is possible, we write software, meetings soon with the Board & MC to discuss (Michael M)
     + I already tried to listen to everybody, and minimize the unhappiness
     + need to get inter-corporate conflict out of the project; seen it in the past inside LibreOffice
       + much of our engineering structure: time based released, hard feature freezes etc. are due to this.
   + how does LOOL continues? (Heiko)
     + C'bra people will abstain from decisions on LOOL of course (Michael M)
     + up to the TDF staff / board

* QA stats
    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
      +181  -8 (-168) overall)
      many thanks to the top bug squashers:
       QA Administrators       14
       Caolán McNamara         12
       Heiko Tietze            9
       Telesto                 8
       Timur                   8
       Olivier Hallot          7
       Thomas Lendo            7
       Buovjaga                6
       Eike Rathke             6
       V Stuart Foote          6

    + top 10 bugs reporters:
       Telesto                 31
       Regina Henschel         7
       Timur                   6
       NISZ LibreOffice Team   5
       andreas_k               4
       Sascha Z                3
       Simon V                 3
       sawakaze                3
       sdc.blanco              3
       IdidITmyWay             2

    + top 10 bugs fixers:
       McNamara, Caolán        11
       Olivier Hallot          5
       Heiko Tietze            4
       NISZ LibreOffice Team   4
       Rathke, Eike            4
       Luboš Luňák             3
       Thomas Arnhold          3
       Thomas Lendo            3
       Xisco Fauli             3
       regenyi.balazs+libreoffice_bugzilla at gmail.com 3

    + top 10 bugs confirmers:
       Heiko Tietze            15
       Roman Kuznetsov         11
       Timur                   9
       *UNKNOWN*               8
       Ilmari Lauhakangas      8
       Nabet, Julien           8
       Budea, Áron             6
       Dieter Praas            6
       Thomas Lendo            6
       Henschel, Regina        4


* Highest-Priority bugs (aka "MABs"):
   + http://bit.ly/2lJAAJI
     6.0 : 1/52 -     1 %  (+0)
     5.4 : 0/41 -     0 %  (+0)
     5.3 : 0/54 -     0 %  (+0)
     5.2 : 0/43 -     0 %  (+0)
     5.1 : 1/36 -     2 %  (+0)
     5.0 : 0/64 -     0 %  (+0)
     4.4 : 0/76 -     0 %  (+0)
     4.3 : 2/73 -     2 %  (+0)
     4.2 : 1/133 -    0 %  (+0)
     4.1 : 3/85 -     3 %  (+0)
     4.0 : 4/83 -     4 %  (+0)
     old : 6/247 -    2 %  (+0)


* Bisected bugs open: keyword 'bisected'
   + more accurate - down to a single commit.
   + http://bit.ly/2dyIfDy
   + 881/4768 874/4746 880/4729 862/4687 848/4656 842/4631 841/4613 

     done by:
        Roman Kuznetsov         5
        barakso.attila          4
        Timur                   4
        NISZ LibreOffice Team   2
        Raal                    2
        Ilmari Lauhakangas      1
        Kelemen, Gabor          1
        Terrence Enger          1
        Telesto                 1
        Xisco Fauli             1
 

* Bibisected bugs open: keyword 'bibisected'
   + http://bit.ly/2cSCXlS
   + 1057/5654 1049/5632 1055/5615 1046/5583 1034/5552 1025/5522 1024/5501 

     done by:
        Roman Kuznetsov         5
        barakso.attila          4
        Timur                   4
        NISZ LibreOffice Team   2
        Raal                    2
        BogdanB                 1
        Kelemen, Gabor          1
        Terrence Enger          1
        Telesto                 1
        Xisco Fauli             1


* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
   + 1328(-5) bugs open of 10308(+15) total 15(+0) high prio.

     done by:
        NISZ LibreOffice Team   4
        Roman Kuznetsov         3
        Telesto                 3
        Timur                   2
        BogdanB                 1
        Dieter Praas            1
        Rathke, Eike            1
        Thomas Lendo            1
        Xisco Fauli             1


* ~Component   count net * high severity regressions
   + http://bit.ly/1HWHb3E
     Writer        - 7(+0)
     Calc          - 3(+0)
     Impress       - 3(+0)
     Chart         - 1(+0)
     LibreOffice   - 1(+0)

   by OS:
     All           - 12(+0)
     Linux         - 1(+0)
     Mac OS X      - 0(+0)
     Windows       - 2(+0)


* ~Component   count net * all regressions
   + http://bit.ly/1BUdI8i
     Writer: other            - 420(+4)
     Calc                     - 228(-1)
     Impress                  - 149(-1)
     Crashes                  - 57(-1)
     LibreOffice              - 57(-1)
     Writer: docx filter      - 54(+0)
     Draw                     - 48(-1)
     Borders                  - 43(+0)
     UI                       - 41(+0)
     Writer: perf             - 41(+0)
     Base                     - 35(+0)
     Writer: other filter     - 30(+0)
     Writer: doc filter       - 28(+1)
     Chart                    - 24(+1)
     RTL                      - 23(+0)
     graphics stack           - 23(+0)
     Printing and PDF export  - 22(+0)
     filters and storage      - 20(+0)
     BASIC                    - 14(+0)
     framework                - 2(+0)
     Formula Editor           - 1(+0)
     Installation             - 1(+0)
     sdk                      - 1(+0)


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