[Libreoffice-qa] ESC meeting minutes: 2023-04-27

Miklos Vajna vmiklos at collabora.com
Thu Apr 27 14:54:56 UTC 2023


* Present:
     + Caolan, Cloph, Olivier, Heiko, Hossein, Ilmari, Stephan, Miklos, Eike, Xisco, Gabriel, Michael M, Tomaz

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Cloph)
     + 7.6 status: alpha 1 in 2 weeks, from master
       + feature freeze in June
     + 7.5 status: 7.5.3 rc2 this week, later today
       + patches in the queue: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/q/project:core+branch:libreoffice-7-5-3+status:open
     + 7.4 status: 7.4.7 rc2 next week
       + last planned release, be careful with backports
     + Linux baseline bump (Ilmari)
       + any decision?
       + would rather go with something Debian-based (Cloph)
       + next step? (Ilmari)
       + problem is not switching the baseline, but providing two baselines for the two active branches (Cloph)
       + not quite sure yet how to solve it
       + Windows baseline is also about to change
       + guess the best way is to only migrate a portion of the builders to the new baseline, then gradually migrate everything over
       + for Windows, move them at the same time, no two different baselines
       + can decide after feature freeze? (Ilmari)
       + not for Windows (Cloph)
       + for Linux, glibc version would change
       + didn't do comparison so far
       + would rather avoid rolling CentOS
       + may decide in the infra call? (Ilmari)
       + for Linux, need to think about libstdc++, and the compiler version that comes from RHEL devtoolset (Stephan)
       + so far was more focused on Windows (Cloph)
       + fear that libstdc++ static linking (coming from devtools) would be lost on an other distro (Stephan)
       + would hope Debian stable is just new enough that such static linking would not be necessary (Cloph)
       => get back to this when Cloph has a concrete plan
   + NSS baseline problem (Miklos)
     + we use system NSS
     + internal xmlsec is bumped, breaking Ubuntu 18 setups
     + but this just happened to work by accident before, baseline is RHEL7
     + how to resolve this conflict?
     + it's not a big problem to break such setups (Stephan)
     + if somebody steps up to do the work, that's fine (Miklos)
       + i.e. patch internal xmlsec to work with older NSS

* Documentation (Olivier)
     + Helpcontent2
        + Updates, new contents, fixes (ohallot, S. Chaiklin)
     + Guides
        + Preparing for 7.6
          + please illustrate your achievements in the release notes
          + add images and blog post links on the topic.
          + help us to understand and add info in Help and guides
          + if info is missing, then file a TDF bug and CC the developer? (Miklos)
            + will do that (Olivier)

     + Bugzilla Documentation statistics
         266(266) bugs open
     + Updates:
         BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months
            created     8(-4)    43(3)     119(-4)     310(3)
          commented     5(-2)    94(-8)    331(-16)   1118(-3)
           resolved     1(-2)    15(-1)     56(-2)     176(0)
     + top 10 contributors:
           Seth Chaiklin made 50 changes in 1 month, and 490 changes in 1 year
           Olivier Hallot made 42 changes in 1 month, and 465 changes in 1 year
           Bogdan B made 41 changes in 1 month, and 220 changes in 1 year
           Stéphane Guillou made 37 changes in 1 month, and 192 changes in 1 year
           Heiko Tietze made 14 changes in 1 month, and 114 changes in 1 year
           Ilmari Lauhakangas made 14 changes in 1 month, and 97 changes in 1 year
           Eyal Rozenberg made 6 changes in 1 month, and 11 changes in 1 year
           Rafael Lima made 5 changes in 1 month, and 120 changes in 1 year
           Xisco Fauli made 4 changes in 1 month, and 29 changes in 1 year
           Rathke, Eike made 3 changes in 1 month, and 16 changes in 1 year

* UX Update (Heiko)
     + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
         278(278) (topicUI) bugs open, 97(97) (needsUXEval) needs to be evaluated by the UXteam
     + Updates:
         BZ changes   1 week    1 month   3 months   12 months
              added     10(0)      26(-1)    50(-1)      82(-3)
          commented     76(-46)   331(3)    762(14)    2319(1)
            removed      1(1)       4(-3)     9(-1)      26(-5)
           resolved     14(8)      28(4)     89(5)      286(7)
     + top 10 contributors:
           Heiko Tietze made 192 changes in 1 month, and 1419 changes in 1 year
           Vernon, Stuart Foote made 75 changes in 1 month, and 325 changes in 1 year
           Stéphane Guillou made 65 changes in 1 month, and 244 changes in 1 year
           Ilmari Lauhakangas made 56 changes in 1 month, and 228 changes in 1 year
           Dieter made 22 changes in 1 month, and 215 changes in 1 year
           Rafael Lima made 22 changes in 1 month, and 285 changes in 1 year
           Eyal Rozenberg made 21 changes in 1 month, and 263 changes in 1 year
           Bogdan B made 17 changes in 1 month, and 46 changes in 1 year
           m.a.riosv made 17 changes in 1 month, and 63 changes in 1 year
           Baole Fang made 15 changes in 1 month, and 15 changes in 1 year
     + [Bug 155044] Rename Format - Description menu item
     + [Bug 154081] Unnumbered headings influence the numbering of numbered headings
     + [Bug 155016] New feature: set the source/scope of AutoComplete search
     + [Bug 154985] MRU and SC add option to sort recent documents alphabetically
     + [Bug 154971] When inserting a command into a menu, it should be inserted
            before/after selected item
     + [Bug 154937] The strings "Print from top" and "Print from bottom" are confusing
     + [Bug 154936] Why is it still not possible to set the title of a diagram as
            formula?
     + [Bug 154953] [ feature request ] arrows in tabbed and grouped bar compact
            should slide or move icons
     + [Bug 154954] User dictionary: auto-learn new words
     + [Bug 154933] Rename "Text body" to "Body text"
     + [Bug 154947] Editing a formula should not remove range overlays; instead
            they should be updated
     + [Bug 154940] Rename "Variable:" to "Custom:" in the Zoom & View Layout dialog

  -> + "Apply border and shadow" option should be removed from
       AutoCaption dialog
       + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154686
       + needsDevEval

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
     + 94(+3) import failure, 18(-2) export failures
     + 2 coverity issues
     + 5 ossfuzz issues, no crashes
       + 1 new fuzzer, zip recovery mode
       + also an SVG one

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
    + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/7.4.6.2
          + (-7) 676 683 513 392 371 241 0
    + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/7.5.1.2
          + (-104) 876 980 1160 1400 1241 854 546 0
    + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/7.5.2.2
          + (+212) 1162 950 527 0

    + Regression in 7.5 branch

        - https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/signature/SfxObjectShell::CopyStoragesOfUnknownMediaType(com::sun::star::uno::Reference%3Ccom::sun::star::embed::XStorage%3E%20const%20&,com::sun::star::uno::Reference%3Ccom::sun::star::embed::XStorage%3E%20const%20&,com::sun::star::uno::Sequence%3Crtl::OUString%3E%20const%20&)

       + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/149724 probably stops that crash, but maybe there was something that started triggering this and its only a workaround (caolan)

* ESC tender project proposal process (Thorsten)
     + draft: see https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/YprpsFP45z7a7p3
     + idea was to give a week for feedback
     + looking forward to see the next iteration (Michael)
         + good for others to provide feedback too
     + awaiting more feedback from Thorsten (Miklos)
     + strongly suggest: we need this process to work to have the budget (Thorsten)
         + at a minimum unanimously agree with the non-bidders sign off on
           the budget proposal
         + unless there is violent opposition on these things
         + last call for feedback - 1 more.
     + is it necessary to have the forever-policy if we just follow it now (Michael)
         + is the proposal use the policy to vote on the ranking ?
         + the pointless hyper-accurate estimate is a big task though.
     + suggest open up two week window of proposing (Thorsten)
         + so anyone can introduce new proposals.
         + still the wiki page with budget 2023? (Miklos)
             + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Budget2023
             + not prescribed how to do that (Thorsten)
                + would need a blog-post on this
                + brief announcing the process & timeline.
         + this is not a fait-a-compli from the board perspective
         + not necessary for the ESC to adopt something that may change
           in a week or two anyway.
             + for the moment - just play by the rules.
     + seems totally reasonable to open the window for proposals (Michael)
         + ideally staff can chase to make it so.
     + any concerns ? (Thorsten)
         + always good to collect good ideas (Miklos)
             + concerns re: accurate estimate etc.
             + if flexibility there can iterate.
         + process is mostly asking for ESC to double check ball-park
             + can discuss in a week or two.
     + Thorsten: ok, Stephan: also concerned re: estimation,
       fine with blog post now if we have more say on the document,
       Xisco: can anyone propose ideas or just members ? - anyone,
       Ilmari: ok, Cloph: ok to proceed - certainly not perfect, but
     should not block starting, Gabriel: no problem, Caolan: ok,
     Hossein: ok, Eike: ok with blog post, Heiko: ok, Miklos: ok as long
     as we have flexibility later, Quikee: ok.
     => ask staff to post for ideas.

* Mentoring (Hossein)
           committer...   1 week     1 month     3 months    12 months
                   open     188(92)     236(84)     266(89)      271(88)
                reviews     442(94)    1144(6)     3576(16)    11784(102)
                 merged     304(4)     1096(-14)   3801(-59)   14699(67)
              abandoned      13(-6)      64(-15)    200(1)       714(0)
            own commits     184(-36)    779(-36)   2652(-50)   10659(10)
         review commits      56(-1)     207(-7)     828(12)     2917(26)
         contributor...   1 week    1 month     3 months    12 months
                   open      30(5)      52(-4)     230(-3)      237(-3)
                reviews     872(42)   2674(-20)   8498(-22)   31232(104)
                 merged      16(10)     53(2)      185(7)       727(1)
              abandoned       9(1)      27(2)       95(3)       499(-2)
            own commits      26(6)      84(2)      333(12)      968(22)
         review commits       0(0)       0(0)        0(0)         0(0)
     + easyHack statistics:
        needsDevEval 9(9)   needsUXEval 1(1)   cleanup_comments 323(323)
        total 390(390)   assigned 31(31)   open 333(333)
     + top 10 contributors:
           Armin Le Grand (allotropia) made 10 patches in 1 month, and 60 patches in 1 year
           Stéphane Guillou made 5 patches in 1 month, and 13 patches in 1 year
           Bogdan B made 4 patches in 1 month, and 91 patches in 1 year
           Czeber László made 4 patches in 1 month, and 5 patches in 1 year
           Baole Fang made 4 patches in 1 month, and 12 patches in 1 year
             made 3 patches in 1 month, and 38 patches in 1 year
           Vojtěch Doležal made 3 patches in 1 month, and 9 patches in 1 year
           Bayram Çiçek made 2 patches in 1 month, and 4 patches in 1 year
           Arvind K made 2 patches in 1 month, and 4 patches in 1 year
           Franklin Weng made 1 patches in 1 month, and 2 patches in 1 year
     + top 10 reviewers:
           McNamara, Caolán made 126 review comments in 1 month, and 1192 in 1 year
           Michael Stahl made 92 review comments in 1 month, and 1058 in 1 year
           Adolfo Jayme Barrientos made 86 review comments in 1 month, and 1038 in 1 year
           Xisco Fauli made 86 review comments in 1 month, and 810 in 1 year
           Nabet, Julien made 76 review comments in 1 month, and 856 in 1 year
           Ilmari Lauhakangas made 60 review comments in 1 month, and 312 in 1 year
           Grandin, Noel made 56 review comments in 1 month, and 520 in 1 year
           Timar, Andras made 54 review comments in 1 month, and 326 in 1 year
           Heiko Tietze made 52 review comments in 1 month, and 298 in 1 year
           Vajna, Miklos made 50 review comments in 1 month, and 702 in 1 year

     + Patches automatically abandoned: (all from contributors/developers)
         vcl: always delegate calls to SalGraphicsImpl - removes cruft ( Tomaž Vajngerl )
             - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/132908
         vcl: remove Impl specific calls from WinSalGraphics, use delegator ( Tomaž Vajngerl )
             - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/132935
         basegfx: replace typedef with a class B2ISize based on Size2D ( Tomaž Vajngerl )
             - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/139708
         tdf#152897 Fix treeview KEY_LEFT for multiple selection mode ( Jim Raykowski )
             - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/142057
         tdf#152775 Writer Navigator: Emphasize the mouse over entry ( Jim Raykowski )
             - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/144891
         Inline pixman harder ( Tor Lillqvist )
             - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/147092
     + big CONGRATULATIONS to contributors who have at least 1 merged patch, since last report:
           Ahmed Eltokhy (aucegypt.edu)
           jucasaca
           Nabeel Siddiqui
           Sarthak Roy

* Mentoring (Hossein)
  * EasyHacks with difficultyInteresting
    * Multiple patches in this 2 weeks
    * Today is the last day to merge
    * 1 merged, another 1 or 2 might be merged today

* GSoC (Ilmari)
   + timeline: 27th of April ranking needs to be done
   + mentors being invited, joining the org
   + reviews appreciated https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/q/status:open+-ownerin:Committers+repo:core+branch:master
   + proposals to be ranked later today
   + still open tasks? (Xisco)
     + waiting for feedback from some mentors, but that's it (Ilmari)

* Commit Access

* Developer Certification (Stephan/Kendy/Thorsten/László)
   + resting since: 6 weeks (limit: 20 weeks)

* Jenkins / CI update (Cloph)
gerrit_android_aarch64     jobs: 257 ok: 227 ko:  22 fail ratio: 8.56% mean_ok:  10 ( 21) median_ok:   8 ( 13)
gerrit_android_arm         jobs: 255 ok: 218 ko:  22 fail ratio: 8.63% mean_ok:  11 ( 21) median_ok:   8 ( 12)
gerrit_android_x86         jobs: 255 ok: 228 ko:  18 fail ratio: 7.06% mean_ok:  10 ( 19) median_ok:   8 ( 12)
gerrit_android_x86_64      jobs: 255 ok: 219 ko:  22 fail ratio: 8.63% mean_ok:  11 ( 21) median_ok:   8 ( 15)
gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil jobs: 561 ok: 318 ko: 211 fail ratio: 37.61% mean_ok:  48 ( 58) median_ok:  46 ( 51)
gerrit_linux_gcc_release   jobs: 518 ok: 374 ko: 118 fail ratio: 22.78% mean_ok:  23 ( 29) median_ok:  21 ( 22)
gerrit_mac                 jobs: 536 ok: 343 ko: 153 fail ratio: 28.54% mean_ok:  42 ( 60) median_ok:  38 ( 48)
gerrit_windows             jobs: 518 ok: 344 ko: 117 fail ratio: 22.59% mean_ok:  63 ( 80) median_ok:  59 ( 69)
gerrit_master              jobs: 554 ok: 258 ko: 234 fail ratio: 42.24% mean_ok:  84 ( 84) median_ok:  71 ( 72)
    + https://dev-www.libreoffice.org/tmp/gerrit_230427.html
    + tests that failed more than twice in last seven days
       3 CppunitTest_framework_dispatch                gerrit_windows
       3 CppunitTest_sd_import_tests                gerrit_linux_gcc_release
       4 CppunitTest_desktop_lib                gerrit_linux_gcc_release
       4 CppunitTest_sal_rtl                gerrit_linux_gcc_release
       4 CppunitTest_sw_uiwriter4                gerrit_linux_gcc_release
       5 CppunitTest_sw_ooxmlexport17                gerrit_mac
       5 CppunitTest_sw_uiwriter4                gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
       6 Killed by the kill-wrapper                gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
       6 CppunitTest_sw_mailmerge                gerrit_windows
      21 Killed by the kill-wrapper                gerrit_mac
    + UITest_impress_tests still failing frequently on the two linux boxes but those are auto-retried now/not listed in the stats
    + normal week (Cloph)
      + 1 bot had "out of diskpace" problem, not taken offline automatically
      + except the UITest_impres_tests is still a problem, see above

* What’s cooking (Miklos)
   + Multi-page floating tables in Writer (Miklos)
     + working on DOCX-related crashtest finds
   + multi-color gradients (Armin)
     + if you want to play with that, opt in with MCGR_TEST=1
     + working on addressing failing tests when it would be on by default
   + Excel-style compact layout of pivot tables in calc (Dennis)
   + officecfg/ cleanup (Gabor)
     + removing config keys which are unused for years (Thorsten)
     + no objections (Stephan, Michael)
     + too many locking on configmgr? (Michael)
       + this is about the offiecfg/ data, not configmgr (Stephan)
     + compiling config data down to native code might be a good idea in the future (Michael)
   + will it be possible to have a vcl app without using configmgr? (Hossein)
     + configmgr usage is quite widespread (Stephan)
     + not sure we want to evangelize "VCL as a toolkit" (Michael)
       + so we can still change it when needed
       + hopefully bin/run is enough
     + think there are easier targets to help newcomers (Thorsten)
       + wonder if it's usefully spent effort

* LibreOffice conference Bucharest 2023 (Gabriel)
   + previous week Italo visited the planned venue
   + had useful discussions
   + Italo's feedback was positive
   + met the university representatives
   + about the workshop: reached out to the university last week
     + hope to get feedback on that
   + got the feedback: students are more towards python/java than c++
     + but not a big problem

* Update Microsoft Visual Studio baseline? (NoelG)
   + independent from the Windows baseline (Cloph)
     + can have multiple versions installed in parallel/different branches using
       different versions also is no problem
   + open question: what benefits would that bring?
     + also: should we require it?
     + one benefit: only toolset for arm natively is 2022
   + can't remember any reason right now (Stephan)
     + c++ feature wise VS is not the bottleneck
   => suggest to do a proposal, what we gain from such an upgrade, back to Noel till then

* QA update (Xisco)
     + UNCONFIRMED: 1118 (-14)
         + enhancements: 301  (-6)
         + needsUXEval: 13 (+2)
         + haveBackTrace: 6 (+0)
         + needsDevAdvice: 31 (-1)
         + documentation:  3 (+1)
         + android:  3 (+0)
         + iOS:  0 (+0)
         + Online:  12 (+0)

     + Most pressing bugs:
      New:

     None


     + New high severity bugs of the week:
         + Crash when moving images around in a multipage table
             + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154863
             + not tagged as a regression

* QA stats (Stéphane)
     + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
       +123  +9 (-150) overall)
       many thanks to the top bug squashers:
        Stéphane Guillou (stragu) 20
        Buovjaga                11
        Caolán McNamara         10
        Heiko Tietze            10
        Julien Nabet            9
        QA Administrators       9
        Eike Rathke             7
        Mike Kaganski           5
        Roman Kuznetsov         5
        BogdanB                 4

     + top 10 bugs reporters:
        Gabor Kelemen (allotropia) 12
        Rafael Lima             7
        Xisco Faulí             7
        Stéphane Guillou (stragu) 6
        Don Matschull           3
        Timur                   3
        Tuomas Hietala          3
        Mike Kaganski           2
        NISZ LibreOffice Team   2
        ady                     2

     + top 10 bugs fixers:
        McNamara, Caolán        9
        Nabet, Julien           5
        Heiko Tietze            4
        Rathke, Eike            4
        Grandin, Noel           3
        Justin Luth             3
        Németh, László          3
        Czeber László           2
        Kaganski, Mike          2
        Olivier Hallot          2

     + top 10 bugs confirmers:
        Stéphane Guillou        30
        Ilmari Lauhakangas      24
        Dieter                  7
        Heiko Tietze            7
        Nabet, Julien           6
        Rathke, Eike            5
        Robert Großkopf         5
        Xisco Fauli             5
        m.a.riosv               5
        Kaganski, Mike          3

* Bisected bugs open: keyword 'bisected'
    + more accurate - down to a single commit.
    + http://bit.ly/2dyIfDy
    +

      done by:
         Stéphane Guillou       8
         Raal                   6
         Xisco Fauli            6
         Ilmari Lauhakangas     4
         csyu.279               2
         Aron Budea             1

* Bibisected bugs open: keyword 'bibisected'
    + http://bit.ly/2cSCXlS
    +

      done by:
         Stéphane Guillou              8
         Raal                          7
         Xisco Fauli                   6
         Ilmari Lauhakangas            4
         csyu.279                      2
         Aron Budea                    1
         Stefan_Lange_KA at T-Online.de   1

* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
    + 1245(-2) bugs open of 12516(+23) total 14(-1) high prio.

      done by:
         Ilmari Lauhakangas     6
         Xisco Fauli            6
         Stéphane Guillou       5
         Raal                   1
         Robert Großkopf        1

* ~Component   count net * high severity regressions
    + http://bit.ly/1HWHb3E
      Writer        - 8(+0)
      Calc          - 3(+0)
      Draw          - 1(+0)
      Impress       - 1(+0)
      LibreOffice   - 1(-1)

    by OS:
      All           - 9(-1)
      Linux         - 2(+0)
      Mac OS X      - 0(+0)
      Windows       - 3(+0)

* ~Component   count net * all regressions
    + http://bit.ly/1BUdI8i
      Writer: other            - 441(-2)
      Calc                     - 226(+0)
      Impress                  - 133(+0)
      Crashes                  - 52(+2)
      LibreOffice              - 52(-2)
      Writer: docx filter      - 50(-2)
      Draw                     - 49(+2)
      Base                     - 43(-1)
      UI                       - 37(+0)
      Writer: perf             - 34(+0)
      Borders                  - 32(+0)
      Writer: other filter     - 30(+0)
      Chart                    - 26(+0)
      Printing and PDF export  - 23(+0)
      RTL                      - 23(+0)
      Writer: doc filter       - 20(-1)
      BASIC                    - 18(+1)
      filters and storage      - 15(+0)
      graphics stack           - 12(+0)
      Formula Editor           - 3(+0)
      Extensions               - 2(+0)
      sdk                      - 2(+0)
      Linguistic               - 1(+0)
      framework                - 1(+0)


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