<html> <head> <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Nino, all! Am 03.10.2012 21:19, schrieb Nino Novak: </div> <blockquote cite="mid:506C8FB8.8060505@kflog.org" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Hi Florian, Am 03.10.2012 18:43 schrieb Florian Reisinger: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">During the German QA meeting some ideas developed. </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> thanks for reporting. To cut it short, we came to </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">the conclusion, that a Bug Submission API (BS-API) would be very helpful. </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> Could you elaborate a little the "why?"?</pre> </blockquote> <a href="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?f1=days_elapsed&list_id=139288&o1=greaterthan&query_based_on=DELETE%20NEEDINFO%20bugs&chfieldto=-6m&query_format=advanced&chfield=bug_status&chfieldfrom=2000-01-01&chfieldvalue=NEEDINFO&bug_status=NEEDINFO&v1=17&product=LibreOffice&known_name=DELETE%20NEEDINFO%20bugs">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?f1=days_elapsed&list_id=139288&o1=greaterthan&query_based_on=DELETE%20NEEDINFO%20bugs&chfieldto=-6m&query_format=advanced&chfield=bug_status&chfieldfrom=2000-01-01&chfieldvalue=NEEDINFO&bug_status=NEEDINFO&v1=17&product=LibreOffice&known_name=DELETE%20NEEDINFO%20bugs</a> 80 bugs since 22 - 08 !! which are in NEEDINFO for more than 6 months. I closed ~800 bugs. Because of some false positives I added the rule "no change within 17 days" It is frustrating, when you try to reproduce a bug and fail to do so and don't get further info. The end user should not get in touch with bugilla at all. It is also very important that more people try to check the bugs (which is in some ways done @ the <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:users@de.libreoffice">users@de.libreoffice</a> ML. Or take this query: <a href="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?f1=days_elapsed&list_id=139330&o1=greaterthaneq&query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&v1=150&product=LibreOffice">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?f1=days_elapsed&list_id=139330&o1=greaterthaneq&query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&v1=150&product=LibreOffice</a> 126 unconfirmed bugs, not touched within 150 days. All in all there are 1798 bugs ( <ul class="search_description" style="margin: 0.5em 0px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, Geneva; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "> <li style="list-style-type: none; display: inline; margin-right: 2em; "> UNCONFIRMED, NEW, ASSIGNED, REOPENED, NEEDINFO ) with no action in the last 150 days</li> <li style="list-style-type: none; display: inline; margin-right: 2em; "> )</li> </ul> <a href="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&f1=days_elapsed&list_id=139332&o1=greaterthaneq&product=LibreOffice&query_format=advanced&v1=150&order=changeddate%2Cpriority%2Cbug_severity&limit=0">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&f1=days_elapsed&list_id=139332&o1=greaterthaneq&product=LibreOffice&query_format=advanced&v1=150&order=changeddate%2Cpriority%2Cbug_severity&limit=0</a> By the way: 150 bugs are assigned to a dev with no change in the last 150 days <a href="https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?f1=days_elapsed&list_id=139333&o1=greaterthaneq&query_format=advanced&bug_status=ASSIGNED&v1=150&product=LibreOffice">https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?f1=days_elapsed&list_id=139333&o1=greaterthaneq&query_format=advanced&bug_status=ASSIGNED&v1=150&product=LibreOffice</a> Sorry, if the "why is not explained to you properly... There is a lot of information in the queries and I don't have time now to continue writing. Sorry <blockquote cite="mid:506C8FB8.8060505@kflog.org" type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> We have >10 years of OOo/LO without such API, so why do you think it would be very helpful right now? IOW, which *current* problem is supposed to be solved by this API?</pre> </blockquote> See above <blockquote cite="mid:506C8FB8.8060505@kflog.org" type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> IIRC, the current bottle neck in QA is triaging and early testing, so don't you think we should better concentrate forces on triaging+testing and not split efforts? However, I don't want to discourage the initiative. If there is a substantial drive towards developing the API now, do it. But if it takes ressources from dev/QA people and distracts them from doing their regular tasks, then please wait two or three months until unconfirmed bug queue approaches Zero and a performant early testing workflow has been established ;-) and /ad rem/ : (Apart from the skepticism above, I'm very much in favour of making bug reporting easy, of course.) I made </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">a graphic (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://goo.gl/dHWhu">http://goo.gl/dHWhu</a>) </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""> (Nice workflow, no objections at first glance.)</pre> </blockquote> Thanks <blockquote cite="mid:506C8FB8.8060505@kflog.org" type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> Nino _______________________________________________ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org">Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org</a> Change settings: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa">http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa</a> Problems? <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/">http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/</a> Posting guidelines + more: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette">http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette</a> List archive: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/">http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/</a> </pre> </blockquote> Yours Florian </body> </html>