<html> <head> <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Hi Jay, hi all, thanks a lot for your work with the toolbar proposal. I had a look at the screenshots and the coments on this list. I would like to add a few comments, too. I also wanted to send it to the UX mailing list, but I could not find Jay's related email there. First, I like the grouping of icons. I think it is a good idea that everything is accessible and the interface clean. However, I understand the criticism that some people may not find their buttons anymore. Hence, it would be perfect, if there is a super-simple method to permanently add buttons out of a group to the toolbar. The best method would be if the icon from the group can be simply put there by drag&drop. Then the user has his/her preferred icon again on the toolbar. Such an easy mechanism will save lots of headaches on all sides. There are two icons, I would definitively not remove from the default set. Please don't remove: <ul> <li>"New file" icon which currently is on the top left side of the toolbar. I have seen lots of people using it and it shows the excellent integration of all office components (which is a big plus compared to MS Office!). People will be very confused if they do not easily find their way of starting a new document. Think of the confusion about the "backstage-flower" in MS Office 2007. People had been revolting that they did not find new, open, save and print. </li> <li>"Styles and formatting" currently on the second row left side of the toolbar. If statistically people are not using this button enough, it is a matter to promote this button more, as the reliance on styles is LibreOffice's big strength. (taken from the OSBA-funding site, additionally chart styles and object styles are in development. Table styles in Writer and Calc are still missing, though).</li> </ul> A general question: How does the toolbar proposal integrate with the new sidebar? <ul> </ul> Best greetings, Gerry <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 26.07.2014 06:08, schrieb Jay Philips: </div> </body> </html>