[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 117463] Create a Dialog that shows up on first boot of Writer/Calc/Impress for the user to pick its default UI

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117463

--- Comment #39 from V Stuart Foote <vstuart.foote at utsa.edu> ---
(In reply to Pedro from comment #36)
> (In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #34)
> > (In reply to Pedro from comment #32)
> > > ...
> > > dialog without even reading it. It would be better to present a solution
> > > that would make the user have to choose an UI. 
> > > 
> > 
> > And that is exactly the 'in your face' dialog many would prefer to avoid.
> 
> Many as in you? I would be open to a suggestion from you that actually
> addresses the point instead of assuming a negative and contrarian point of
> view when you have a multitude of people pushing this.

I am only being pragmatic here. A pop-up dialog as an alternative to changing
the default UI to the broken Tabbed Notebook Bar for bug 135501. So sure.
However, there is no point to be made--other than it is a non-performant
"solution" to impose on the broader user community. Virtually all serious users
will make their UI choice--for each module--and be done with it. This UI picker
and the ill-conceived attempt to move onto a Notebook bar framework default UI
will not improve function of LibreOffice nor its UX. They are gimmicks aimed at
new "Benjamin" users, not functional UI. Don't misunderstand, the MUFFIN
Notebook Bar is excellent exercise in seeing where GLADE UI builder could take
our UNO based controls as a flexible/configurable UI. But the framework is
limited compared to fully instrumented Menu, Toolbar & Dialog UI as
supplemented by the Sidebar. 

Making the Notebook Bar into a comparably "functional" UI would require
uncountable investment in native code to reimplement/wrap UNO controls in
native APIs (both MS & Apples).

That is what these ill-convinced actions would be committing the project to.

So excuse me if I seem a little less enthusiastic about these initiative--I
just see them as all around bad for the project.

>  
> > No, the UI selection is made per-module and recorded to user profile. Eactly
> > as done now from the actions on the View -> User Interface menu.  The
> > Tip-of-the-Day framework dialog, or a full UI dialog frame would behave the
> > same.
> 
> 
> And that's why we are discussing here to change this. That is not user
> friendly. If an user selects the Tabbed UI once, he will assume that the
> choice will be for all modules. So I would say that the behaviour you
> describe should change to avoid the frustration of an user having to repeat
> the same action to select his preferred UI every time he opens a new module.

What, no! Core tenant of MUFFIN is that it is entirely flexible. We've worked
hard to make user customization of each LO module independent and stateful. A
UI choice made in Writer should not impact a choice made in Calc. That would be
a horrible outcome!

Otherwise my suggestion to retain the View --> User Interface menu items would
be the cleanest (and least disruptive) way to integrate any new "UI Picker..."
dialog into common use.

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