[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 153065] Tool names are different between the toolbar and Visible Buttons list

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153065

Stéphane Guillou (stragu) <stephane.guillou at libreoffice.org> changed:

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           See Also|                            |https://bugs.documentfounda
                   |                            |tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12
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             Blocks|                            |108400
                 CC|                            |libreoffice-ux-advise at lists
                   |                            |.freedesktop.org
             Status|REOPENED                    |NEEDINFO
           Keywords|                            |needsUXEval

--- Comment #3 from Stéphane Guillou (stragu) <stephane.guillou at libreoffice.org> ---
Again, the Tooltip being different to the Tooltip is not a bug, it's usually by
design. I'll add that they can also be shorter than the label, probably because
there is enough context in the menu they are used in to understand what their
main function is and avoid repetition (e.g. in Shape > Distribute Selection).

However, if the label and the tooltip are *too* different, e.g. providing an
instruction without mentioning the name, I can understand it can create
confusion when trying to identify the right button when customising the
toolbar.

Toolbar context menu > Visible Buttons uses the command's label, which is the
same as in the Customize dialog. In that sense, it is consistent.

>From experience, giving a couple of examples and then saying something like
"there are many more" is pretty much guaranteed to never be entirely resolved
because it is too vague. But I'll try expliciting the two examples you have
given:

1)
Label: Distribution
Command: .uno:DistributeSelection
Tooltip: Select at least three objects to distribute

2) Unsure if you refer to .uno:OutlineRight or .uno:OutlineDown (I think you
mixed the label of one with the tooltip of the other), but they are similar in
how their tooltip is worded, so let's go with the first one:
Label: Demote
Command: .uno:OutlineRight
Tooltip: Demote outline level of selected list paragraphs

... I can see how the first one could be reworded into something that sounds
less like instructions. It is a visible tooltip in e.g. the Tabbed UI (Home
tab). PeeWee, do you have suggestions for better tooltips?

The only guidelines I've seen about tooltips and labels are on this page:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Guidelines/ToolBar#Text

UX, what do you think about this? Should the 2 tooltips above be changed? And
should guidelines be clarified about what tooltips and labels should contain,
where they are used in the UI, and their potential size limits?


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108400
[Bug 108400] [META] Toolbar tooltip bugs and enhancements
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